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I think it is going that way anyway, same as with Sparkys. With requirements of Water Regs and now the compliance onus is also on the user. The BPEC certification is a requirement if you want to self certify any notifiable work and you have to achieve "Approved Plumber" status. I am not sure if it will be run by a body like Gas safe, but if there is a way of getting more money from you, I am sure the Government of the day will think of some way
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Jack
just wonderd what your thourghts weren on this subject?
Do you think Plumbing should go the same way as gas, i.e ran by a body
must get the quals, id card ect.
give it some pros & cons.
i think it should id quite happily pay the money on the registration and any courses if it meant cowboys were got rid, would mean more business in the long run.
Hi Mac, A can of worms, great question. Knowing how to control the trade is beyond me and others over the last 50 years to my knowledge.
However what i have difficulty comming to terms with is the fact that having been involved in a modicum of gas work over the years and subscribed for 20 of them. I now find that because i have not paid my dues of late (Deregistered) the knowledge and experiance gained during my career has also been discontinued. If this is the way forward will educational qualifications like " O" and "A" levels not to mention degrees being rescinded if dues are not payed? And how can the plumbing trade be controlled by establishment with out some form of stelth tax.
Why take the responsibility away from the house holder? Let them make inquiries within there community , prior to selecting and instructing work to be done.
do you think 10 years of corgi/gas safehas acheived that. by there own admission there are a huge number of unregistered installers out there the more costs you put on registered buisness the easier it is for the cowboy to undercuti think it should id quite happily pay the money on the registration and any courses if it meant cowboys were got rid, would mean more business in the long run.
Hi qplumb I am sure that if you want to volantarily belong to some of these costly organisaions then fine, but you have to realise that some of us who dont, are not cowboys, I believe in a fair price for a good job, and If I have to spend more money on different schemes and training then I have to charge more.
At present The averidge self employed plumber is charging between ÂŁ150 and ÂŁ250 per day if you start adding up more training schemes and organisations the price will be pushed even higher for legitimate businesses, allowing even more cheaper cowboys in to cock things up
funny enough, GCSE's more than 5 years old dont count towards apprenticeshps, students have to do them again. I believe they call it lifelong learning, another way to keep you doing courses every 5 years. unvented and water regs now have a 5 year life such as acs. will plumb become the same?
i want to keep out non qualified from the trade, why should we accept non qualified? the argument is always, 'well some who are qualified are rubbish'. lets do away with all quals then hey?
I would like to say that right now renewable energies are going to be a nightmare if you are self employed and you want to be MCS accredited.
Typical costings to get relevant, training is 3 to 10 days training, days away from work plus the costs of training from ÂŁ700 - ÂŁ2000
Typical costings to join one of the certified bodies is ÂŁ700 - ÂŁ2000 for each technology, for example, solar therm, one tech, heat pumps, another tech Biomass, another tech PV, another tech, so for myself being self employed and wanting to be MCS accredited to do 2 technologies, heat pumps and solar therm this could cost me upwards of 5 thousand pounds, so how much do I have to charge my customers to get this money back.
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I enjoy my way of working I have never wanted to be a specialist in one field of our trade I want to keep and need to keep my Gas Safe, in cases of installing byvalent systems. but the way things are going I will need to be spending around ÂŁ5000 a year before I start paying myself.
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