Why dont the goverment help?

[Winston]

Why is it we see many including myself attend courses and many course providers say about lack of plumbers and so on. Why dont the goverment regulate this and why dont the goverment provide incentives for companies to take people on.

And why is it that when I have heard of companies take people on as soon as they qualify there off, where is the loyalty in that? And why is it plumbing companies if they do provide training make the person pay if they leave within a time limit like other businesses do?

 

[Phil]

I still amazes me that these course providers are still saying there's a shortage of plumbers, take a look at this rubbish.

[DLMURL="http://www.newcareerskills.co.uk/plumbing-skills-shortage-plumber.htm"]New Career Skills - Skills Shortgage[/DLMURL]

 

[Bernie2]

Hi Winston

Companies sometimes do make you pay if you leave to soon before they have had their training money back off you.

Companies once did pay for training, but in the 80's slump they could not afford too, so as far as I know stopped virtually all training and saved CITB and possible other training levies. The thing is the government then privatized training and we got what we got today.

It a mess.

Training should be free for those wanting to join the industry and then they pay a levy once trained. But you would have to set levels. Imagine if everybody who wanted to earn what the government said was £30,000 a year as a Plumber applied to be trained for free? There would probably be millions.

Industrial training all needs looking at and new sensible training schemes brought in.

 

[newbie1]

Why is it we see many including myself attend courses and many course providers say about lack of plumbers and so on. Why dont the goverment regulate this and why dont the goverment provide incentives for companies to take people on.

And why is it that when I have heard of companies take people on as soon as they qualify there off, where is the loyalty in that? And why is it plumbing companies if they do provide training make the person pay if they leave within a time limit like other businesses do?

because all the money goes on supplying housing and benefits for all the lazy toe rags that see the uk as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
why do you think they are queing up in france to come here france etc are all free states with democratic govts but they all want to come here because they can milk the system so you me and every other worker here can give them our hard earned so they can have a better life
meanwhile screw the rest of the poor sods who have lived and paid taxes and now find themselves on the scrap heap here
this country and govt are a joke

 

[Winston]

I do think the goverment need to address this not just for this industry but many. If they dont encourage to get businesses to take on and train new blood the businesses will fail, its all short term.

Businesses need to look to the future to continue to grow and be succsessful. Its the same old thing with manufacturing we make nothing these days, we have become a nation of service providers. Which is always the first to be hit in a reccession.

Why cant the goverment, provide tax cuts for employing apprentices, subsidisation towards training.

 

[bobpape]

It seems any progress you or our country makes is not "because of" politicians/government but "in spite of"

 

[Hugh]

far to many plumbers in the uk, just look at the cut throat business we are in everyman with a tool box and a box of washers is callin himself a plumber every body fighting for the same piece of bread things will never last!

 

[Beeline]

If our inadequate government decided to subsidise wages, insurance, holiday and sick pay etc, I would gladly take on more than one apprentice.
As things are currently It's far to great a risk for me and could even send me out of business.
I'd like to see a national policy of honesty in advertising.
I'd like to see our government TAKING back (by force if needed) the millions these fat directors are raping from our businesses and taking abroad away from taxes while us little men keep paying Taxes for lazy useless immigrants.
I'd like to see a national maximum wage.
I'd like to see OUR country back to how it used to be... Bob pap hit the nail on the head.
Just a cpl of weeks ago my Gas safe inspector told me he tried to have an engineer struck off the register, but the bosses told him he cant... The mess has only just begun.

 

[TGor]

The govt won't help .. your'e on your own!! successive govt's have steered this country into a financial services base and f'd up a solid manufacturing base .. global economy my a'rs

OK I am a dinosaur by definition and when I did my 5 years I went to college 1 day release and 3 nights each week = 14 hours per week x 40 weeks x 5years + 4 & 8 hour exams total of abt 3000 hours.
If I missed a night I didn't get paid for the day.

This has now been reduced to what? I dunno! but the thing is there is so much more to learn that there was back then. I think it's like learning to drive .. in fact you learn to pass the driving test and then you learn to drive .. I know a lot of plumbing teachers who do a great job and I know some training providers who don't .. the term "fast track" does not apply to plumbing... So anybody taking on the noble art today has to be prepared to pass the test and then start to learn. It is sad that employers are loth to take on trainees but times are tough and of course everyman and his dog can be a "Plumber" in the UK.

I sympathise with people who are conned into parting with hard earned readies or even borrow money to attend these training courses on the basis of wild claims. I know, I did the same thing.. parted with heaps for a level 4 NVQ that was going nowhere thanks to a gov't who promised substantial earnings for those qualifying. But my philosophy has always been "If someone sells you a lemon .. make lemonade!!"

The best thing that the govt could do is to regulate plumbers and squeeze out the cowboys ..but they won't so as I said your on your own!!

Sorry!

 

[Winston]

Well not all fast trackers are cowboys though I just want to earn a living and provide good service, but I know my limitations.