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whilst I utterly agree with what Ray has written. The problem is there are so many people out there that come onto a forum like this to look for justification for their ridiculously cheap quote which they are going to go with even if we say yes or no. people don't like being told what to do especially when money is concerned. The amount of them that are so proud when they found themselves a basement bargain The real way for this to be dealt with is for the government to step up and to work with Gas Safe so that illegal/DIY/unqualified gas work can't happen.

I agree with Matt that we won't persuade everyone. But if we can just move the 5% who were tending towards going cheapskate, but we can persuade to think about it in a different light, I would be delighted. It doesn't mean that you can't also lobby for more effective enforcement of existing regs, or indeed new regs if the existing ones are found to be wanting.
 
I agree with Matt that we won't persuade everyone. But if we can just move the 5% who were tending towards going cheapskate, but we can persuade to think about it in a different light, I would be delighted. It doesn't mean that you can't also lobby for more effective enforcement of existing regs, or indeed new regs if the existing ones are found to be wanting.
well said mate. Small victories and all that. Just be nice if we got an opinion from the likes of GS or those in charge. Just to let us know that they are taking things seriously and not just giving lip service
 
It's such a shame though. I love how passionate most of the people on here are about doing things properly and legally. I do wish we could develop the idea of the UKPF further and actually properly offer plumbing and heating services almost as a brand . I know the UKPF is no guarantee of quality however I think we all agree that the abuse somebody on here would get for offering rubbish service would be tangible. I wonder if Dan would entertain the idea of a postcode search so a potential customer could actually search for a forum member based on location as I suspect that a number of people looking for plumbers don't get any sort of response because they don't put a location in the subject or don't give enough information. By searching for plumbers companies in their area they could contact one, two, or more plumbers in one easy hit.
 
Okay so I'm not a plumbing professional just a DIY'er who has the time time research on the net to gain the information to do whatever project I'm currently working to the best of my ability. I'm old enough to have taken on board the lesson by cheap buy twice. I've always found that this forum provides excellent advice. If I were in a position to require a GS engineer to replace a boiler then the ability to be able to search for a registered engineer by post code would be a step forward. I'm not a regular poster but do regularly read posts on these forums and you get a feel, it may be wrong, for plumbers who know their onions! or maybe that should be olives!!

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This is exactly why I charge exorbitant prices and provide the exact same level of service as the cheap skates !!!

To make them feel i must be better....

What ??? No???

HAH

Thanks ray
 
Problem is, leopards don't change their spots. A person looking for the cheapest option will always do so...I don't want their business but do my best to convert them!
 
Hello all,
AS you can see, I’m a new member to the forum. I totally understand what Ray is getting at, and I understand the sentiment behind it. As one of those who used to service those aircraft your families fly with, I personally understand the point.
As a consumer though, it’s not the product I worry about, it’s the never ending supply of dubious people out there, offering to supply or fit them.
We all know that within any trade, there are plenty of unscrupulous individuals who are quite happy to charge silly money for substandard work. Take a roofer for example, how many of the general public, including yourselves, go on the roof to check the work? So the point being, we put our trust in that tradesman, that he has carried out the job to the best of his ability, and you have been charged fairly for the service……..right?
My issue with the domestic heating industry, is that (rightly so) we are legally obliged to use a certified engineer, preventing dodgy DIY issues from occurring, yet the quality between those individuals, despite their qualification, is immeasurable, and they charge how they see fit.
I did 15 years in the RAF, and saw no end of lads do a 2 week plumbing course, and then do 3 days ACS, only to be churned out as qualified gas fitters? They’re my mates, but I wouldn’t let them near my Gas! Especially, as we are former weapons engineers LOL
I think the point I’m getting at, is it’s so difficult to determine what kind of engineer you’re getting, I know of people in the building industry who will put you onto family members when checking on their quality of work! That’s frightening! But I suppose it happens in all trades………..How do you combat that?
I’m fortunate to able to most of my own work, but that’s based on seeing the dreadful work carried out on my parents house when I was 14, the ramifications of seeing them in tears after loosing money on sub standard work, and worse, by a friend of theirs, pointed me in the right direction for self reliance.
Only today I received a quote of just shy of £4k to supply, fit, and re-pipe a W/B 34 CDI and remove a storage tank.
As one of those savvy shoppers, I can buy that boiler and associated parts, plus 9 rads and Drayton TRVs (which are not in that quote) for less than £1800 online and that’s before I go into the merchants and haggle prices, which normally ends up cheaper. So is £2100 a reasonable cost for that work? Not to me, so sometimes the more expensive quotes don’t happen to be best either, but that’s what’s so difficult to determine. I’m paying for his skill, and knowledge, yet I‘ve only known him for 45 minutes!
I appreciate profit has to be made, but sometimes the legal burden to use a “certified” tradesman can come at a cost, that said, it’s what we have to do, and can’t argue with it.
What I like about the forums, is that the type of individual using it is inclined to want to help, and be helped, and I find forums an invaluable way of researching.
“Riley” put it in to context with his post, if such a place was made available to select an engineer for heating work, and one that was available to accept positive and negative feedback from all, the world would be a better place, as bad work gets negative press, and professional pride would get battered in front of their peers on a website..
I know of, as I’m sure you do, of several sites out there that offer this, basing your hiring on the reviews of “Joe Public” but I’ve seen much error in those as well.
I often say buyer beware! And it’s down to the individual to spend more time assessing the potential tradesman they are using, as much as saving a few £££ trawling the internet for weeks.
I hope I’m not offending anyone here, that’s not my intention, just passing on my views as a “Customer”
Regards

Jay
 
Hello Jay. Problem I see with the trade is if the tradesman is dishonest, then all the qualifications in the world won't make him/her honest. Also I think there is often too much emphasis on paperwork, although you need that too.
But remember, regarding what a heating engineer charges you, - he has his van, equipment, training, insurances, holidays, losses, etc to take out of that before he gets a wage.
 
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