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thanks fuzzy,wot they said was at the end of doing the level 2, they put me in a placement with a large plumbing company in my area for three months and that's how I gain the level 3 qualification but I don't think 3 months is anywhere near enough, but if 6129 isn't a full qual then i've been mis-sold anyway's I think so surely I must get a full refund.
 
thanks fuzzy,wot they said was at the end of doing the level 2, they put me in a placement with a large plumbing company in my area for three months and that's how I gain the level 3 qualification but I don't think 3 months is anywhere near enough, but if 6129 isn't a full qual then i've been mis-sold anyway's I think so surely I must get a full refund.

you cannot go straight from 6129 l2 to 6089nvq3

you need to upgrade the 6129 to a 6089nvq2 first by working with a company. then do the 6129 level 3 in a centre then work on site to upgrade that to the level 3

these quals are changing at the moment so you may have to do the new 6189 nvq diploma instead
 
Thanks m8. Extremely helpful info I will wait and see if they reply to my letter. If not then they will be getting another1 and another 1 and another 1 etc haha Thanks again.
 
Has anyone managed to get a refund off Train 4 Trade skills. If they have, then please message me as I am desperate to get off their course, as they completely lied to me and conned me into signing for a mickey mouse course in electrics. (I know this is a plumber's forum, but we all seem to be ripped of by same company)
 
Guys same old scernario dont hand over your hard earned cash without doing your homework, I got my level 2 6129 which was ok but couple of guys did the same they will have 6129 level 2 and 3 but as fuzzy has said its not the full qualification as you need 6089 level 2 and 3. When you speak to T4TS they say 'that our course gets you up to a level that you can do the 6089 but they dont offer it themselves' Only advice is to get some work with someone or to do the 6089 level 2 while doing the 6129 level 3 or take a year out to get the full qualification there are NO SHORTCUTS

Ideal route is:

6129 level 2 with T4TS or someone else
6089 level 2 with college
6129 level 3
6089 level 3

6089 level 2 and 3 needs to be with someone who is qualified

Good luck we're all in the same boat
 
Hi I am thinking of doing this course can someone please give me advise whether these qualifiactions are genuine basically its as follows

City And Guilds 6189: Level 2 NVQ Diploma In Plumbing And Domestic Heating
BPEC: Water Supply (Water Fittings) Regulations 1999 Certification From BPEC

City And Guilds 6189: Level 3 NVQ Diploma In Domestic Plumbing And Heating
BPEC: Energy Efficiency Certificate
BPEC: Part P Defined Scope electrical qualification
LOGIC: Solar Thermal Domestic Hot Water Certificate
CITB: Domestic Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems Certificate

Total In centre training 11 weeks at Luton ATL.

Someone earlier said that the above certifications were in house and not industry endorsed but upon internet research (good old google) I could determine that BPEC, LOGIC and CITB are industry standard certifiers.

This has now got me worried as im thinking are they lying and just using the name of the organisations or are the certifications genuine. If genuine then surely they must be recognised by employers and thats got to be good I hope.

Also this new 6189 Level 2 & 3 Diploma is this the real deal in plumbing theory and knoweldge or just a part certification. How does it differ from the older certifications that T4TS were offering.

Also the sales rep also told me that I can complete the course as quickly as I want he never told me that I would have to wait till i'd paid a certain ammount of the finiance of before I could attend the in-centre training.

I really dont want to waste 5700 but all the qualifications are tempting and seem genuine can someone please advise me on how good they actually are and how genuinely established and recognised they are within the industry as this is all entirely new to me.

Also if someone from T4TS is posting on this site can you also dispel or confirm the conditonal in-house training and why or how you think that is justifiable when you have been paid in full from the fininace company and the money owed has no bearing on you whatsoever.

Someone please please answer the above questions for me before its too late for also.
 
The quals are all genuine enough but quals don't get you a job without experience and you can't get experience without a job. Catch 22
 
My only problem is how will I get certified on my NVQ level 2 and 3 without being on a job. How long do ineed to be on the job toget the nvq and will self employed count.
 
Tamz firstly thanks for the reply. Secondly what do you do for a living if you dont me asking and if you are in the plumbing trade what is your honest opinion of th course above.
 
You won't. Self employment is your only option.
Ask Fuzzy. He is the man for your answers to this stuff.

I'm a plumber (and employer). 38 years.

My true opinion?
Think carefully before spending your cash. Research the industry well and don't believe sales spiel.
You won't be employable without experience.
 
Lol im really thinking hard about this now. Self employed the only way but does this mean that i will never achieve my nvq level 2&3. Or will I still be able to complete my NVQ level 2&3 via the self employed route.
 
I can really sympathise, they don't give a monkeys about peoples personal circumstances. I hadn't even started course and they wouldn't cancel Train for Trade Skills are just in it for the money they don't care about the people!!!!

I agree with you 100%!.. I was so focused on going into doing plumbing, I ordered different bouchers from colleges and other companies like able skills and train 4 trade skills. In the end I got in contact with T4T as I could be fully qualified asap....which was perfect. After all the hassle I have been through with these people, trying to cancel the course and trying to get my money back I've given up looking looking to do plumbing.

Even though I've managed to now finally cancel from the course, It HURTS me till this day that people out there can take your money like that... and not give a f*** about you. I hope the owner burns in Hell! I can't believe I let one of those scum sales guys come into my home and lie to my face, now I look back he knew exactly what he was doing. He was making it sound as if places on the course were running out as we spoke and if I didn't sign I would loose a place, also the way he cleverly took my signed papers, folded them and placed it into the zip pocket of the pack so I would forget and not look at them, he then quickly moved onto what was in pack, which shifted my concentration on something else. Also the way he was telling me how hes a plumber / director of a plumbing company now and doesn't do hands on work any more, nows hes loaded, he goes on holidays to spain every few months, how hes told his son to forget going uni, and do plumbing as he will make loads of money like him.

I know the sales guy are obvious told these things, but I still blame them as they know exactly what they are doing.

T4T SKILLS I HATE YOU WITH ALL MY HEART!, I will get my money back!

Is there another watch dog case going on with this company again, that anyone here knows of?
 
This doesn't make nice reading. Has anyone had any good experience with them?I work week on week off on a boat as an engineer. I'd like to do this course then go to a local builder I know and say I've got my city and guilds etc can I get experience with you on my week off and work for you for free so I can get the further city and guilds the course don't mention. I'm not thinking oh I'll be a plumber and earn 100k a year. I'm just looking for something to do on my week off. Maybe eventually a career change. Heard so many bad things. But they are mainly a out the salesperson that comes calling and folk not being allowed out the deal. Just wondering if anyone has actually gone the full way with the course?
 
all of these training companies are only there to make money out of you.never ever trust a salesman he is allways going to lie to get the sale.we in the plumbing industry have allowed this situation to come about due to the demise of aprentiships and our reluctence to become a licenced trade. the training companies promise earn £40k plus but average wage £15k to £25k ,you can earn more as a self employed plumber but times are hard how long will it take to get your money back from the training.
 
I would really be interested in knowing as to how many people that have attended these courses, are now on the magical £40k salary....Salary not turn over mind...
 
it amazes me that people think it is alright/normal to train to be a plumber using a computer program working through scenarios. surely they must realise that no two houses are quite alike, unless new builds knocked out at the same time. i suppose it's something extra to make it seem that they're getting "value" for money.
 
I'm just looking to get some qualifications. I know your very basic plumbing from being an engineer on a boat. Really just want to be able to say i have these city and guilds then get some work experience. It's a shame these companies claim you can make anything from 40k to 100k. I just paid 600 for my bathroom to be ripped out and a new one to be put in. So I guess if you could do that 5 days a week you'd make your 100k easy. You'd have to be the luckiest plumber ever.
 
new builds a future source of work,and not to far into the future!!! the standard of work on a lot of these new builds is a disgrace .i allways tell my custermers you can have the job done quickly cheaply or you can have it done properly but not all three.
 
Well finally got the courage to speak to a guy I know that owns a builders merchant and runs a building company. Asked him if I can get some unpaid work on my week off and then hopefully he'll stick me on the courses and I said I'd even pay for them. So here's hoping I don't need to do the train for trade skills route. Will no doubt be on here picking brains a lot though
 
Well finally got the courage to speak to a guy I know that owns a builders merchant and runs a building company. Asked him if I can get some unpaid work on my week off and then hopefully he'll stick me on the courses and I said I'd even pay for them. So here's hoping I don't need to do the train for trade skills route. Will no doubt be on here picking brains a lot though

All the best mate
 
Hey all, im glad ive read this i just had the t4ts guy in today speaking to my mrs she is a mature student (36) in college on the pre-apprentice scqf level5 plumbing. we have big concerns that she wont find any employers to take her on to do the apprenticeship nvq diploma 2+3 (6189). we where thinking that t4ts was the best option for her as we live in the hihlands, and the guy sold it big time.

it doesnt take much research to find that the quals (6129) they are selling are entry level and no good to call yourself a qualified plumber CITY AND GUILDS website tells you that.

well cheers
 
I know this sounds bad, we've just had the t4t guy in for the second time. The first time I researched on the net and found all these threads, my husband kept him at the door for a while, giving him the cd back. But he managed to get in for another chat.

This is for the electrical course, wondered if anyone here has had any experience with that. Because it is harder to find anything on the electrical side as it is this.

I a left wondering what and how can we go about finding out any more info. Paul rang his mate who is a spark and he didn't know of them.

Any help here guys would mean so much for me.

I totally get that experience is everything, but there are so many bad people out there. Who do you trust, you know. We had such a bad experience with a plumber.... even some electritions.

Thanks to anyone that can help us.

Dawn and Paul.
 
I know this sounds bad, we've just had the t4t guy in for the second time. The first time I researched on the net and found all these threads, my husband kept him at the door for a while, giving him the cd back. But he managed to get in for another chat.

This is for the electrical course, wondered if anyone here has had any experience with that. Because it is harder to find anything on the electrical side as it is this.

I a left wondering what and how can we go about finding out any more info. Paul rang his mate who is a spark and he didn't know of them.

Any help here guys would mean so much for me.

I totally get that experience is everything, but there are so many bad people out there. Who do you trust, you know. We had such a bad experience with a plumber.... even some electritions.

Thanks to anyone that can help us.

Dawn and Paul.

Try the electricians forum?
 
I didn't even know there was one, this was all I could get with the t4t google :) thanks.

You have no idea how much that simple idea answer means to me.
 
Hi

This must be the longest thread in the history of forums :stooge_curly:.


I have trawled through these pages and read with interest the negatives and positives. What has surprised me is the blinkered views of some of the contributions. I cant really understand why people working within the plumbing and heating trades would try and put off someone from taking a course which at the end of the day gives them a recognized qualification ?. One of the main points within the postings is the terminology 'Experience', this pops up time and time again; I ask myself, how does someone who is not in the business actually get a start ??. The answer is simple isn't it, you apply for one of the thousands and thousands of plumbing apprenticeships on offer, get the job and undertake the vocational training the employer pays for, after which you are then a time served fully qualified plumber or heating engineer.

Er, excuse me but that aint gonna happen in 2011 except to the very lucky few. This is where training providers come in and thank goodness they do as well. Is the training course not experience ?? I know that there is a difference between the workshop and Mrs Smiths house but hey the principles are the same and at least the trainee gets practical experience of the principals. I think everyone knows that 2 houses are never the same but please give the learner credit for initiative and realize that the individual does have a brain which functions perfectly well enough for them to recognize that.

To the negative posters in this thread I would say just step back one second and examine the options open to someone who wishes to enter the plumbing industry and put yourselves in their shoes. At the end of the course they are at least walking if not jogging towards their goal of becoming a plumber. By discouraging someone you do them no favours. At least when saying to someone "dont do it" give them the alternatives (do you have any ????).

Like em or loath them training providers like Train4Trade fill the gaping holes in the industry left by underinvestment and greed which is endemic to the construction industry and which the whole country pays the price for.

TA

ps. Me = 5 year indentured apprenticeship (completed 1975)
City & Guilds Advanced Craft Certificate
Yorkshire Council for Further Education Certificate in plumbers work (now defunct)
ACS CCN1, CENWAT and CPA1
Level 3 City & Guilds energy & Efficiency
 
i think you confuse facts with negativity

there are many positive people without plumbing work having paid out £1,000s on courses and time

expectations should be realistic

facts should be known, like the C&G tech cert is not the recognised full qual and will not get you JIB registered as a plumber
 
how are you finding the t4ts plumbing course im doingmy practical in feb 2011 i'm just worried about the forum
 
If all those experienced plumbers on here who have complained about the lack of experience of anyone trying to better themselves has, why dont they invite those people to come and work for them? I understand public and employers liability insurance then comes into play, but even when offered as a sub-contractor to a plumber for a pound day with our own public liability insurance we still get turned away saying we are a risk.

I've seen posts of experienced plumbers complaining that they may have to go to a job to sort out an inexperienced mans (or ladies) work, well if they helped to make one more experienced person the plumbing industry will continue; because as I see it at the moment all the experience is going to be too stuborn and ignorant to help, which will lead to a great deal of that experience lost in a generation.

I understand the construction industry is in a bad state, I am feeling the brunt of it working as an Area Sales Manager for a builders merchant in the East Midlands, but despite that, now is an ideal opportunity to encourage instead of disheartening those in training while we have time on our hands.

All people want to do is make a go of their lives because they maybe unhappy, have been made redundant or a multitude of circumstances.

I am currently on the T4TS course plumbing 6129 and NVQ 2 on week 4 practicle in 2 wks time. I am thoroughly enjoying it, aswell as gaining valuble knwoledge which in turn gives me confidence to speak to plumbers who use me through the merchant to help them get what they need.

I wish all who read this every success with their career wherever it may lead, and hope there may be renewed attitude from plumbers who are worried about losing work. If you are a good plumber with a good reputation work will come to you.

Thanks

Carl
 
Good for you Carl. Although you cannot go out there and claim you are a plumber with the 6129 you will have a sight more idea than without it and practical experience as well. What could you have done had companies like Train 4 Trade Skills not been operating ???. I really don't understand why Plumbers get so hot under the collar about such training centres, I recon it's just sour grapes. Everyone deserves a chance even if its only half a chance :D
 
I know I cant class myself as a qualified plumber with the 6129 but it gives me and many others a basis to build from.
I talk to quite a few plumbers around the various branches, most feel that when I mention I'm doing the course I'm trying to get a quick fix into the trade. I'm sorry but already having over 11 yrs in the construction industry I know it takes more than reading a few modules and doing 6 wks in a bay in a training centre to be a competent qualified plumber. Once I tell them this they have a totally different attitude and want to discuss things (luckily).

I want to succeed and that's what's going to happen even if it takes another 3/4 yrs just to get to level 3 and beyond. We are always learning.
 
Personally as an employer

If all those experienced plumbers on here who have complained about the lack of experience of anyone trying to better themselves has, why dont they invite those people to come and work for them? I understand public and employers liability insurance then comes into play, but even when offered as a sub-contractor to a plumber for a pound day with our own public liability insurance we still get turned away saying we are a risk.
I don't employ retrainers because i like to employ apprentices who i can mould into shape to suit my way of working. I know they are not there to only get enough experience to set up as a competitor. I don't do slave labour or serfdom either!

I've seen posts of experienced plumbers complaining that they may have to go to a job to sort out an inexperienced mans (or ladies) work, well if they helped to make one more experienced person the plumbing industry will continue; because as I see it at the moment all the experience is going to be too stuborn and ignorant to help, which will lead to a great deal of that experience lost in a generation.
I have passed my experience to many over the years and am quite willing to help anyone who wants to learn.

I understand the construction industry is in a bad state, I am feeling the brunt of it working as an Area Sales Manager for a builders merchant in the East Midlands, but despite that, now is an ideal opportunity to encourage instead of disheartening those in training while we have time on our hands.
Working for a merchant you should know the effect the recession has had on the whole building trade including plumbers. You will also have seen first hand the amount of new start ups and how long they last. What made you think plumbing was a good choice. You have, with your background, at least some insight of what you are letting yourself in for.

All people want to do is make a go of their lives because they maybe unhappy, have been made redundant or a multitude of circumstances.
The plumbing game is no greener than any other. Ive yet to meet a plumber who thinks we are in some kind of utopia.

I am currently on the T4TS course plumbing 6129 and NVQ 2 on week 4 practicle in 2 wks time. I am thoroughly enjoying it, aswell as gaining valuble knwoledge which in turn gives me confidence to speak to plumbers who use me through the merchant to help them get what they need.
2 inch and half bends and a cu9?

I wish all who read this every success with their career wherever it may lead, and hope there may be renewed attitude from plumbers who are worried about losing work. If you are a good plumber with a good reputation work will come to you.
That used to be how it was but now unless you have a really good preceding reputation and a niche market or are willing to work for what effectively, is less than minimum wage, due to the recession and massive over subscription to the trade, this is no longer the case.

Thanks

Carl
 
1,000s of people have done the 6129 off their own back because they want to get into the trade. It was never possible to expect employers to employ all of these.

The traditional route of apprenticeships is supply and demand. When the trade needs it they take on an apprentice and they train in college and on site getting the relevant skills. This ensured a steady streem of skilled trades people into the trade as and when required.There are still numerous apps who come into the industry ensuring that the skills you mention are passed on BTW.

Then they developed the 6129 to give people a chance of getting skills without a job. The people getting the 6129 only was never suppose to be giving them the full package just underpinning knowledge for them to build on when an opportunity arises or the trade needs it. The trade does not need it.

There are many things i would like to try in life but i will never get the chance, should i try these things and when i mess it up blame others for not training me?

Lets be realistic, I have seen many posts from 6129's claiming to be some type of victim due to 'stubborn and ignorant' plumbers. Is it not those who demand an entry into the trade who are stubborn and ignorant?
 
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Having recently taken on 6 plumbers, all with the relevant paperwork that claims they have been trained to a suitable standard, I'm not entirely sure who is kidding who. People complaining about employers using foreign labour, so I go out of my way to take on British workers, not because of costs because everyone is paid the same irrespective of where they come from. Then people complain that after investing their life savings in gaining qualifications in the plumbing industry they can't get work as employers are reluctant to take the risk. An employer may advertise a post paying say £150 a day and all and sundry will be applying for the job. And here lies the problem you have the guys who have just finished their training thinking they are now going to get a job paying £39k a year and think the employer should still offer them onsite training just to get the simplest of tasks done.
Now going back to where I started with taking on 6 plumbers, the first one arrived all keen and ready to go, started @ 8am and by 11am was still trying to fathom out how to drain a heating system with a broken drain cock, he ended up deciding that it was best to drain a 17 radiator heating system via the air vent of a radiator into a carrier bag, by 3pm he was bored (me too) and decided to throw the towel in and left. Following day next 2 plumbers arrive, went through with them exactly what had to be done, told them the system was still full of water and needed to be drained and even went as far as to tell them they needed to drain via the radiator valve rather than the drain cock. "No probs mate leave it to us" two hours later a phone call "we've flooded the kitchen out mate what do you want us to do?" they had tried draining via the rad valve but left the other valve fully open. Next plumber arrives told him what needed to be done, not only did he decide to throw away radiators that were not to be removed, he trashed wooden flooring, chucked away underlay and his pipework needed to be redone total cost to me £700. Heres his handy work View attachment 4232View attachment 4233yet he thinks I should pay him. The next 2 plumbers were excellent done what was asked and no complaints. If the people that leave these courses put themselves out as improvers rather than chancing themselves as plumbers then they might get employed...
 
Thanks for that Ivor, it seems there are too many people trying (as its already been mentioned) to get a quick fix of money in these current times. I wish there were others like yourself who would give us improvers as you say a chance/assistance. I fully appreciate experience is the key and it's certainly not gained in the workshops on courses. It puts a bad ill feeling towards those like myself who are genuinely trying to get fully qualified, make a go of their careers and succeed.

Luckily I have customers who, when I am in the position to, are willing to give a bit of their time to help me through to get my nvq2. That's the start to been able to then start looking for an employer to take on an improver/plumbers mate to progress with the experience part. Then some years later and the nvq3 plus hopefully gas I can possibly think of self employment or partnership.

I'm not on here trying to get people's backs up just trying to look for guidance and help from those already experienced wise qualified plumbers.
 
Hi
I would be very careful of train 4 trade skills...I have been on the course for over 18 months and have found the customer care woeful and unhelpful..The organisation of the college is shocking and the whole course does not fit in with a full time job at all...I feel cheated and don't want anybody else to get get shafted.
Please be aware of the saleman that comes to your door and lies to your face...they will claim colleges are close and will fit in around you,the course fits in with your work etc etc....All lies.
Whenever you call for ADMIN assistance you are told a different lie and told to call back.
Hope this saves just one family the 4k I regret paying in these times,
 
i have cancelled my direct debit with barclays,also have written to t4ts and barcleys stating i am cancelling the course and no longer wish to continue with it, i have stated various reasons for cancelling but t4ts keep sending back letters saying they can fast track my course and that the qualifications i recieve are not being phased out and that luckily i will get £30 per day for fuel and digs when i go on my practical sessions(wow i live 600 miles from nearest centre)......i am just continuing to write to barclays and t4ts stating i am cancelling my course , i also believe the 6129 is being phased out and replaced by a diploma that requires 3 years onsite experience, is this true or just hearsay as i could always use more ammo. i have also contacted summitskills as i believe t4ts have no right to use there logo or excerts from there website .summitskills are launching an investigation so we will see what happens.t4ts dont seem to care if circumstances change they just want their(my) money......well not anymore their not....
 
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Hi pepsi
I hope you do get your money back and are able to cancel...I have already paid over 2k and keep hitting a blank wall regarding even getting to the workshop which luckily for me is only 90miles away (not local at all as described)....As for the phasing out of 6129 when I asked this question I was told it is and always will be valid????????...I feel cheated just like you!...I am going to call one last time today to see if I get any help...if they fail again I am seeking advice from a solicitor friend as how to proceed...I have started keeping a track of all the phone calls and lack of help...I suggest you do the same..I would think there are hundreds of us out there complaining about train4tradeskills....
 
hi rk660......i have not tried to phone t4ts as anything said is hearsay, i have always written to t4ts or barclays and sent the letters recorded delivery. luckily i only started with t4ts in feb this year so havent paid them that much,only £700, compared to what others have paid them .....i am refusing point blank to reinstate my direct debit ,also sending more letters stating i am no longer doing the course......if i get any money back it will be a bonus if not then lesson learnt(the hard way)
 
looks like the 6129 will be extended againt because the government wish to offer full time training, which aint possible with the new diploma, it will still go but may be replaced, watch this space as they say
 
I have been doing 6129 tech cert level 2 with the water regs etc. I agree with a lot of these posts, they are a shambles and the course certainly does not fit around you. I have been messed around no end when trying to book onto practical assessments. I guess I have been doing the course for the best part of 3 years now, having to fit the practical weeks around my holidays in my current job. I have completed the first 6 weeks passing all the C&G exams (about 13 in total needing 80% to pass) including water regs and energy efficency. These are legit exams. (I did check with C&G) However the let down part in my mind was the inconsistancy in the practical training and how lax they were in terms of quality. I am a bit of a perfectionist and found the practical side very easy as my current job is very hands on. There were some guys who were really struggling springing leaks everywhere and generally just not getting it, and I found myself trying to help them aswell. When it came to the assessments the assessors didn't really seem to fail anyone! Despite the fact some of the work was awful it was still getting signed off! I found this annoying as it makes a mockery of the whole system. Its quite worrying as surely the whole idea is to promote quality work and to make sure the person carrying out the work definately knows what he or she is doing. I am now waiting to get booked on my weeks 7-8 unvented and gas maintainance, but true to form they have now thrown a new H&S exam into the mix 300 pages of revision and an online test which I have failed twice. They can't say what the pass rate is or give any feed back its just a straight pass or fail. I am sure this is just another stalling tactic as they are over booked and under staffed. This has now messed up the holiday I saved to do the practical and means the course will drag on for longer. It is not fast track! I want to eventually do my NVQ2/3 and gas safe. I very much doubt it will be with T4TS. I just hope this all pays off eventually and that this isn't one big costly mistake! T4TS have so far delivered on the qualifications they said I would get, its just been at their pace not mine! Good luck to anyone else doing the course!
 
I've spoken to a couple of reps, the first was from "New Career Skills" (NCS) and that one shared a similar setup, but was priced at £6300 the C&G L2 in plumbing and heating, and £7300 to get through the part-p.

The second, was t4s and
From what I've learned, that was
L2 course = £3950 (£110pm)
L3 course = £5700 (monthly costs?)

Both acted as sales reps, which didn't affect me all that much, (I used to be in sales, so I saw it for what it was, regardless of how "desirable" their final result would be)
One major disappointment with NCS was however, when it came to pricing, the NCS rep wrote all his prices on a sheet of lined a4 paper, which looked very unprofessional.
It would have been better if he produced an official looking book with the price lists in it (Like T4s did).



One of my colleagues in the building trade has done a similar course and did spend about £7k, and he openly admitted that he wouldn't have been able to make ends meet after "graduating", where he was left out in the cold, so to speak with little knowledge of how to make the qualifications into more than a few fancy bits of paper, if it wasn't for his finding work in our small builders firm, he would struggle to make ends meet.

So, with that in mind, I am realistic in how such qualifications wouldn’t lead to instant results, and, thankfully, both reps made it clear that I wouldn't suddenly become the most employable person around, it would take work and graft to make something of myself, and they gave realistic levels of income, though I did notice both groups offered assistance in finding employment etc.

As with many, they spouted the hype of plumbers being in short supply etc (bucket of salt came to mind), and while I know my colleague has a few jobs lines up, that’s no guarantee I'll be able to manage the same


Okay, so it comes down to a simple question or three.
I have perused the forum dialogue and found many pro's and cons, and I fully realize the above courses won't make you a fully qualified, employable plumber, regardless of what the fancy booklets they gave me claims but it DOES give you written qualifications and a STEPPING STONE (or is that baby step?) towards becoming a fully qualified plumber.

From what I gather, it will only build you to a level where you could make a living as a self-employed plumber, or improve your skills base...

I already work as a general builder in a small builders and decorators firm, but most of what I learned is self-taught or learned through working with my peers, and as such, I don't have any formal qualifications.
Unfortunately, thanks to the current financial climate, I can't afford to stop working and go the route of college (however, I may consider evening courses, after what I've learned)

My goal, was to use a course like the one t4t offers to build on my skills and knowledge base, including put some written qualifications under my hat, I already know I could work with one of the firms people to gain the practical experience in things like bathroom and kitchen fitting, (though they would subcontract out for boiler work), but would spending that kind of money on an L2 or L3 course be worth my while?



p.s. thanks to whoever it was who mentioned you won't be able to do any practical work in "their workshops" until you've paid a minimum of £1300, that was something I didn't know.
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If you really think about this, you could self teach yourself the plumbing. It is not hard to do the basics in plastic and there is no need to get any formal qualifications to do it. I'm not saying this is right or the proper way to do it but these courses will offer you as much practical learning as a week watching toms tips on you tube. You will never(very unlikely ever to) be employable after a course with anyone so you will be self employed anyway. Get the mask out and go for it lol.
Btw the plunbing and gas trades are just as bad as everything else. Sometimes what you know is maybe better :wink:
 
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