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Nostrum said:
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ive put a lot of time and effort into attending seminars and speaking with people to find out the real ins and out of the scheme. Perhaps if others did the same rather than rely on the opinions of others without lifting a finger themselves they would be better informed. Certainly on the open forum I'm not going to sprout off about it all for everyone to see including the potentials clients.

In respect to MCS. Most of the companies who have been bitten are companies who popped up overnight to offer solar p.v due to the amount of profit on offer! Jumping in with both feet to make a killing, then not have anything to fall back on when the bottom fell out of it when the tariffs changed. Not entirely there fault, the government cocked it up big time by slashing the FIT over night. I've got first hand experience of this subject so feel I know the situation quite well!

Your right, unless the subsidies are there, renewables don't add up in some instances, the green deal may change that, but it is so complicated a lot are put off including myself for the time being. The FIT fiasco left a sour taste so people will be very wary about the RHI payments as well.

Eaton seems to do well out of heat pumps without the RHI being released so there are cases where the savings are enough to warrant the cost of work. You just need to be able to do the maths rather than blanket statements about certain technologies not working or whatever.

The forums can have a really damaging impact on the industry if it is full of personal opinions without substance.

What you write could be read by your potential customers in the future. Best to make sure its right and accurate.
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i agree what your saying and where coming from.

but for me the regulatory burden for a one man band i feel is just too much. for the amount of money that has been thrown at this scheme. it would have been far simpler to offer a voucher scheme and then afterwards to comply you could have the installation inspected by a governing body ie gas safe mcs body for a reasonable fee which could be deducted from final payment if it complys you get paid or you have to get it upto spec to get paid that isnt difficult it creates jobs as you need inspectors and not the sharks middlemen who know feck all about heating and renewables.
 
although i am not interested in the green deal the eco affordable warmth scheme is more appealing however have no idea how you go about finding relevant info foer installers
 
Trust me I'm not, I know 3 firms doing the £1500 instal currently, as I've said I've had very in depth conversations with people already involved. Eco scheme is warm front end of, green deal isn't currently set up for heatpumps or solar its geared at insulation which is something we already had in place and was going well.
 
The Eco scheme is the green deal its just a branch off of it. You'd need pas to get green deal then you can get in contact with manufacturers about evo grants.
 
I've done 100s of surveys for the affordable warmth ECO scheme, most of which are combi swops. From the installers point of view, like everything else, there's good companies & bad doing it, some are paying £130/swop & other better ones are paying £250/swop. Some are doing full powerflush, which as we all know is required!! Others dont bother & stick some X800 in for a few day before the swop, then hot & cold flush it.

Oh there's plenty work out there on these schemes for RGIs, but be selective who you work for. I enjoy the work & it keeps me off my knackered knees for a few days a week & the firm I'm doing them for do a good job, have a high standard of work & only work for the likes of SSE - that do it right.
 
Well mate if you know the size of a Band A boiler Primary Heat Exchanger's water ways there's no way you wouldn't powerflush it, regardless of any regs.
While powerflushing is not the answer to every system's ills, in the case of a boiler swop it's a must in my view.
 
What many have said here is true about doing install work on these schemes, lots of guys are making good money doing this type of work for the GOOD companies. If you have all the right gear, lots of experience, the qualifications & are willing to work hard. Then making £200-300/day can be easily done. If you're an old git like me with loads of qualification, skill & experience, well, leave it to the young guns in my view.
 
Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.
 
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Some Energy Companies are having it done, it's in their Specifications on this scheme. SSE for example.
 
eaton said:
Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.
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What are they getting per job ?
 
eaton said:
Reg doesn't actually state a power flush and never has, simply says system should be cleaned to British standard, its up to the installer to determine what treatment is needed. Know a lad doing Eco scheme with a mate, their doing 2 a day, says its 3-4 hours straight swap and run condense. No way they're power flushing.
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Oh I know what you're saying is true mate & I'm sure your pal is doing very nicely out of it.

Dont get me wrong I'm not a huge Powerflush fan, but at times it's the only way to get the crud out any system....
 
this was on the news yesterday about the green deal and compared to other govt schemes apparentley its way down on the take up of orders ,faltering methinks.
 
All the guys that are installing at the moment can't be installing for the green Deal.

There hasn't been any installs carried out on the Green Deal yet, just inspections because they've got money issues or something.

All these installs will probably be on the eco scheme.
 
anz said:
All the guys that are installing at the moment can't be installing for the green Deal.

There hasn't been any installs carried out on the Green Deal yet, just inspections because they've got money issues or something.

All these installs will probably be on the eco scheme.
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Whats the difference between the 2 ?
 
Eco scheme is if your a scumbag layabout you get free boiler, green deal is for anyone who wishes to devalue their home by putting works cost against your house
 
Eco is like the old warm front, except there isn't just one company doing all the installs. Any of us can get a slice of the pie.

With green Deal the cost is paid monthly by the householder via there electricity bill.
 
Eco is warm front replacement. Lads are getting between £130-350 per install you get to keep scrap etc, had ideal rep pushing it via my answer phone earlier
 
read in the paper today that the number of green deal installs is zero, zilch nada!. you might as well throw money down the drain than get involved in this white elephant!
 
As said, the ECO affordable warmth scheme is not the same as the Green Deal.
 
Is this pas2030 training worth taking ? The Eco one seems to be taking off more than the green deal ?
 
I think if I were 20 years younger I'd do it & take on 5-6 subbies to do the installs for me. I'm not sure about other parts of the UK, but here in Scotland it's really taken off. One guy I know is doing £1M a month!! Oh it'll end in tears when the work dries up, but if he can make lots of money & not be daft with it he'll be sorted for life.

Theres a few cowboys out there so be careful who you work for!!
 
Dickie said:
I think if I were 20 years younger I'd do it & take on 5-6 subbies to do the installs for me. I'm not sure about other parts of the UK, but here in Scotland it's really taken off. One guy I know is doing £1M a month!! Oh it'll end in tears when the work dries up, but if he can make lots of money & not be daft with it he'll be sorted for life.

Theres a few cowboys out there so be careful who you work for!!
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i know someone who has ****loads of the Eco work an basically he's going to subby it to me...


I was under the illusion that to do the work yourself, there was **** loads of paperwork, loads of costs etc...
 
The eco deal in southwest has gone ballistic a friendof mine is subbying out 50 boilers a week , he knows its going to dry up soon so is making hay whilst sun shines .
 
If you are doing subbie work just make sure you get paid every week. Don't get used by any contractor to help their cash flow. And remember, it'll only last a short while, so don't be the mug that never got their last payment.
 
On the Eco, straight swap, hot an cold flush (that's what's your asked to do), leave on temp an make good around your flue... What should be looking at ?? £170 - £230 ish ?
 
theirs loads of it going on round here and prices i have been offered are £80 - £250 per swap
 
kay-jay said:
Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination:rolleyes:

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer
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So who pays us ? Gloworm give you the boiler an then your wage ?
 
kay-jay said:
Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination:rolleyes:

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer
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So who pays us ? Gloworm give you the boiler an then your wage ?
 
hammers4spanner said:
theirs loads of it going on round here and prices i have been offered are £80 - £250 per swap
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Of course you'd go for the higher amount. The gas supply pipe upgrades & the condensate pipes routes are the two biggest head aches on straight swops. So before you go to only job get feedback on that, it could save you an extra trip to pick up material. Most jobs have digi photos taken at the survey stage, so ask for them.

The further down the subbie, subbie, subbie chain you are the lower the install prices & the worst jobs are always given to a subbie. So if you're doing it for 80 sheets, you're way down the chain & going to get a manky house or a difficult install.
GET PAID!!!
 
Dickie said:
Of course you'd go for the higher amount. The gas supply pipe upgrades & the condensate pipes routes are the two biggest head aches on straight swops. So before you go to only job get feedback on that, it could save you an extra trip to pick up material. Most jobs have digi photos taken at the survey stage, so ask for them.

The further down the subbie, subbie, subbie chain you are the lower the install prices & the worst jobs are always given to a subbie. So if you're doing it for 80 sheets, you're way down the chain & going to get a manky house or a difficult install.
GET PAID!!!
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they aren't paying extra for the gas no ?
 
wont get me doing it cant be bothered with it all to much hassle , happy going round failing everyones work t the moment
 
hammers4spanner said:
wont get me doing it cant be bothered with it all to much hassle , happy going round failing everyones work t the moment
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I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.
 
Dickie said:
I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.
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i can't be ar#ed with this game anymore, getting people under cutting you, hard to get new work these days if you ask me. If someone wants to give me boiler swaps say 3 a week at least around £180 plus ill do it, working on your own these days is just getting harder an harder.

am also looking going offshore to br honest
 
Dickie said:
I can completely understand your view mate. However, there's plenty guys doing a quick combi swop, one a day & keeping their regular customers happy also. It's amazing how quick you can do them when you gets into the swing of it.
Just don't get sucked into the £80/install work, that's cr.p as detailed above.
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easily do 2 a day and be home by four however i cant be arsed with it anymore , gimme servicing to go round and riddor all the green deal crap please
 
Offshore jobs are not easy to get either mate. And you're right this trade is knackered.
 
was chatting down plumb center today about this green deal /eco malarky and they were saying judging by early signs it dont look positive for one man bands said alot are struggling .

they were saying that although the work is coming down its via contractor /contractor so rates are crap also alot of one man bands have lost reg boiler upgrades because of it .
 
So what does it entail to get access to eco funding as a one man band. Do you have to just get green deal certified or be a green deal assesor certified and does anyone know what sort fundingis being given for straight swap combi before everyone takes a slice of the pie. A lot of info and all confusing
 
Also whats to stop us in the arms as a collective doing it ourselves. Cut all sharks out.surely it cant be that hard
 
As said, there's Subbie work out there. But be careful who you work for.
 
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