should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

yes and along with the 4 or 5 years apprenticeship without this if it has only taken you for instance to do either above in 6 weeks not qualified even with certificates.
you must be jib registered to be industry recognised as qualified.
Try getting a job with even the full nvq or svq without experience NO CHANCE.

you cannot get an NVQ without experience??????? are you getting mixed up with a tech cert?

 

[plumbster3456]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you cannot get an NVQ without experience??????? are you getting mixed up with a tech cert?

SORRY FUZZY ONLY MENTIONED BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TALKING ABOUT 5 DAYS COURSES TO GET QUALIFIED ( THINK IT WAS CORADIA) surely to god this cant be true.
I know not everyone does 4 and 5 years but at least it has taken some a year or two.
If you did phone up the jib and ask they would say only recognised is the ones who have done apprenticeships may not be 100% the right way but it is there way

 

[shorticus]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

the uk government only licence those things that are deemed as dangerous or a risk to the insurance companies, note, not deemed as a risk to people or property per se, but the claim against ‘them’ that might follow an occurrence. Driving a car, driving a lorry, installing gas blah blah blah are the things that the insurance companies get wobbly knee’s about, if plumbing goes wrong you get wet, you don't drown, ergo no major fiscal loss, ergo no licence needed. Wrong!? I absolutely agree, however I'm just commentating.

 

[that bloke.]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you can do a lot of damage to someones property if you take on something that you dont know how to follow through.
i think you either need to be qualified or experienced through on the job training to do general plumbing , or both.
i think a qualification is just something to prove you are accually learning with on the job training, plumbing shouldnt solely be taught at college. on the job will tell you how to do things , college will tell you why they are done that way.

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you can do a lot of damage to someones property if you take on something that you dont know how to follow through.
i think you either need to be qualified or experienced through on the job training to do general plumbing , or both.
i think a qualification is just something to prove you are accually learning with on the job training, plumbing shouldnt solely be taught at college. on the job will tell you how to do things , college will tell you why they are done that way.

you cannot get the qualification solely from college, as i keep putting, so why not recognise the nvq as competence? no need for addition hoops to jump through

 

[that bloke.]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

i thought the nvq can be recognition of competence? although we could keep running round in circles and say some people with an nvq shouldn't be let loose in a customers house and some people without any qualifications could in fact be very competent.
perhaps plumbing jobs shoulod be spot and randomly inspected by a main body of inspectors and if the work is not up to scratch or doesnt comply with current regs then they should have the ability to dish out some kind of punishment.
in fairness people who work with gas or unvented should have a ticket but general plumbing? if you can do it and do it properly , have a knowledge of the regs required and the correct insurance etc then i see no need for an nvq. you could argue that people who work with food should have a ticket to prove they know how to wash their hands every time they use the toilet, does that gardener have a licence for that ride on mower or that spade? where do you draw the line? can you provide your customers with a crb check to make sure your not really a mugger disguised as a plumber?

 

[smudger]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I definitely think that a tradesperson should be properly qualified (and assessed) to carry out work. Do you think it would work if all tradespeople (not just plumbers) had to be a member of an approved scheme? I actually think it is too easy to get the qualifications and they are currently no proof of competance, but that's a different issue.

 

[Hybrid]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

The NVQ 2 can't be a measure of competence because it only requires proof of very basic plumbing skills. There's no mandatory requirement to prove competence on heating systems, installation of cylinders, installation of storage tanks etc.
If you install a couple of bathrooms, change a couple of soil stacks and do some basic plumbing maintenance you have all the evidence needed to complete the portfolio.

The NVQ 3 is mostly concerned with the planning of works and customer service with two small tasks involving commissioning a heating and hot water system.

There's a huge gap in what's required to become qualified and what's required to do the job.


EDIT: sorry smudger, just read your post which says everything I was trying to say.

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

The NVQ 2 can't be a measure of competence because it only requires proof of very basic plumbing skills. There's no mandatory requirement to prove competence on heating systems, installation of cylinders, installation of storage tanks etc.
If you install a couple of bathrooms, change a couple of soil stacks and do some basic plumbing maintenance you have all the evidence needed to complete the portfolio.

The NVQ 3 is mostly concerned with the planning of works and customer service with two small tasks involving commissioning a heating and hot water system.

There's a huge gap in what's required to become qualified and what's required to do the job.


EDIT: sorry smudger, just read your post which says everything I was trying to say.

if you think this than you say the qualificaton isnt fit for purpose. if a full qual doesnt satisfy you then why would a small card and registration? even if an inspector checked the odd job?

 

[shorticus]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I'm old school so please forgive my ignorance on this one, how long does an nvq 2 or 3 take to aquire, are they day release, block release or intensive training schemes?