The Green Deal

[CES]

Youll have to register as an installer and conform to PAS2030 , oh and pay another fee for the pleasure of working.. Im glad Im out of this game now, they wont be happy until the small guy doesnt exist imo.

 

[diamondgas]

Cheers CES ... I thought I'd heard somewhere that you need to pay to be accredited or sub for a credited company for a pittence!!! Looks like my repairs income will be hit too if they get rid of all the old boilers and install 7-10yrs warranty boilers........!!! It sounds like things are going to get a bit harder for anyone wanting to set up or even continue to work as a one man band..!

 

[Kev the gas]

Cheers CES ... I thought I'd heard somewhere that you need to pay to be accredited or sub for a credited company for a pittence!!! Looks like my repairs income will be hit too if they get rid of all the old boilers and install 7-10yrs warranty boilers........!!! It sounds like things are going to get a bit harder for anyone wanting to set up or even continue to work as a one man band..!

Diamondgas,

^^^^ exactly the conversation I had with the Worcester rep on Monday, without sounding too doom and gloom we have a few changes coming in the industry.

So far manufacturers do not seem to be interested in the rest of the central heating system, hopefully this will provide a small amount of work for the future!!

 

[Howsie]

I'm afraid I think its the landlord that gets to pay unfortunately

Quite rightly IMO.

 

[diamondgas]

Diamondgas,

^^^^ exactly the conversation I had with the Worcester rep on Monday, without sounding too doom and gloom we have a few changes coming in the industry.

So far manufacturers do not seem to be interested in the rest of the central heating system, hopefully this will provide a small amount of work for the future!!

It's certainly good news for landlords/tenants and the others able to request a replacement. Who's doing the work though? You can't just 'magic' installers from thin air? I'm guessing this'll push installers to 'lower' their standards and pricing to get at least some work in? With a bit of luck the demand will outweigh these companies workforce and private guys will get the overspill?

Does anyone know how much the accreditation costs? Not that I'm after it as I do maintenance and repair with only the odd one or two installs here and there

 

[tamz]

Who's doing the work though? You can't just 'magic' installers from thin air? I'm guessing this'll push installers to 'lower' their standards and pricing to get at least some work in? With a bit of luck the demand will outweigh these companies workforce and private guys will get the overspill?

Every big company and their dog is doing it Steve, even BandQ. It is a free for all for the big boys. The only over spill we will get is if we are daft enough to work for these bandits.
Take a look on any job search site. There are hundreds of ads recruiting installers all over the country but the money is as bad as £120 a swap as a subbie. Some of them are even dumping all the responsibility on the installer (idiot) by making them buy the boilers they fit off them. You can imagine the quality of the work that will be done.
I know a guy who worked on it for less than 1/2 a day then walked off the job. Job badly surveyed, he'd to go pick up the shortages etc etc. After a half hour on the phone trying to get an order number he picked up his tools and left the customer with no boiler fitted.

This will be worse than the warmfront fiasco and it will have a very bad impact on all the small guys.

 

[dancinplumba]

Looking forward to picking up the pieces

 

[kay-jay]

Its not all doom and gloom.

Manufacturers are starting to get involved. We just sent some stuff off to glowworm

Basically they provide you with 1500 to fit a gw boiler which is free for the customer.

Much better deal than doing it as a 120 a day subby. Customer can choose an installer. Better standard all round and everyone is much happier than they would be otherwise

 

[hammers4spanner]

whats the deal with glow worm i am club energy installer quite often get emails regerding training etc etc

 

[kay-jay]

Register details with them and you can provide custards with a free boiler providing they meet the affordable warmth criteria. They give you 1500 minus whatever boiler and controls you buy. They deal with the grant side of things.
The remainder is for pipe and sundries and your fee is what's left.
That's my understanding anyway.

It will help the little guys stay afloat and its in the interest of the manufacturers to do this also as The 'firms' rinsing the eco schemes will favour a particular cheap shiddy boiler like the eaga/isar combination

So manufacturers if they want to jeep selling boilers need to make sure the independents keep going and can provide a choice. Undertaking the grant thing in an installer behalf is one such way and imo if all manufacturers follow suit it will be the 'thrown at the wall by monkeys, firms that will suffer