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Hi all, being gas registered through a company, can we do gas work ie: a boiler change for family?
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your wrong read the regs carefullyyes you can carry out the work. you do not have to be gas safe registered to carry out gas work for no fininacial gain, you have to be competant. if you are registered gas safe then you must have your acs and thetrefore be cometant. check the gas regs
No fuzzy is right. Gas Safe themselves have told me i can do gas work for family and friends for no financial gain. The problem is you wont be able to register the boiler for part L as you wont have a GS number.
do me a favour and forward the email they sent you confirming this, (oh you havent got one!!, and this was a telephone confirmation,) if you have the email, my sincerest apologies, if you dont please get one to confirm what you THINK you heard on the phone, cause it aint gonna get sent to you, GSR will never condone a a registered engineer working for free for friends and family, as it goes against what they are trying to push through, ie more engineers registering with them = more money for them, it isnt about safety. also an organisation like GSR would not condone illegal work, i work in a training centre, and am registered with them, i cannot do any gas work out with the centre, it doesnt matter whether i get paid or not, and how can it be policed who is calssed as a friend? it just doesnt stack up.it goes back to the old chestnut of "DIY gas work" you can do what you want in your own house until something happens then the brown stuff will hit the fan any way
Kirkgas, Ive sent you a personal message. Cheers.do me a favour and forward the email they sent you confirming this, (oh you havent got one!!, and this was a telephone confirmation,) if you have the email, my sincerest apologies, if you dont please get one to confirm what you THINK you heard on the phone, cause it aint gonna get sent to you, GSR will never condone a a registered engineer working for free for friends and family, as it goes against what they are trying to push through, ie more engineers registering with them = more money for them, it isnt about safety. also an organisation like GSR would not condone illegal work, i work in a training centre, and am registered with them, i cannot do any gas work out with the centre, it doesnt matter whether i get paid or not, and how can it be policed who is calssed as a friend? it just doesnt stack up.it goes back to the old chestnut of "DIY gas work" you can do what you want in your own house until something happens then the brown stuff will hit the fan any way
No fuzzy is right. Gas Safe themselves have told me i can do gas work for family and friends for no financial gain. The problem is you wont be able to register the boiler for part L as you wont have a GS number.
your wrong read the regs carefully
I cannt see any reference to financial reward in the regs however part 2 defines work and unless you are competant then you cant work on gas for reward or not. To be allowed to work on gas items etc you must be competant and this is defined as having the correct qualifications to allow you to register with gas safe and this then allows you to be insured to work on the gas side in any property. So if your covered by your employer to work but not self emplloyed, you cant work in accordance with e regs on your own or other friends kit.. Simply put this is to ensure you are covered by insurance etc and if you do cock up somehow and kill your granny, any court is going to deal with you in a severe manner as you carried out work in contravention of the gas regs. Its really simple and despite what the bloke on the end of a phone says its the basrristers in this world who apply the regsin the long term and having chatted to one recently and shown him the regs, my advice is to leave well alone unless you are self employed or have a gas safe number in your own name if your an employee, as you wont win the arguement of relying on regs 3,1 as you need to take into account section 2s definitions, you need to read a bit deeper to understand the regs , so kirkgas is probably right in what he said.
work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say—
(a)
installing or re-connecting the fitting;
(b)
maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;
(c)
where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and
(d)
removing the fitting;
i stick by my statement you are wrong and if what you are saying was brought up in a in a court case the individual would have his nads cut off simple you must be competent and registered to do anything involving gas work employed,self employed, foc, or fidderling you may in fairness fuzzy be reading the reg and fully understanding its meaning but reality comes back and bites you on the arse and it has sharp teeth so i stick by my original reply to the op ....NO
hi all, being gas registered through a company, can we do gas work ie: A boiler change for family?
so why do the hse keep taking people to court who have previously passed their acs and been corgi/gas safe registered and prosecuted them for illegal works, it must be because they arent competant in the eyes of the law, simple really and therefore fuzz your understanding of the regs cannt be quite right can it!!
They take them to court because they are not gas safe registered and they are contrevning regulation 3 (3)
no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.
If you are doing gas work for family you are not employed, therefore it dont count. Not being gas safe registered does not mean you are not competant does it?
So sorry to put you right, no hard feelings, may i point out once again i am 100% right
I think this is a very good question. I think it comes down to the fact that you wouldnt get somebody to do 300 boilers for free without being employed. secondly, the installation of boilers requires benchmarks and registration which would need gas safe registration. This does not however change the fact that gas work can be done for no charge (ie not employed in the regs) and it does not break the regs. We are talking more of one off jobs or moving pipes around or similar. I am gas safe registered through my company but would have no hesitation at all in moving a gas pipe for my Mother since i am allowed tothink you have it wrong fuzzy ,what if your family owned 300 flats,and you were asked to fit boilers in each one,i,m sure
you could,nt get away with it.the manufacturers state in the mi it must be installed by a gassafe reg installer,and commissioned by one.
Like I said before look at definitions in section 2.1 where work is defined and there is no mention of financial reward just what work is and that is touching.working on gas appliances etc and you are not allowed to do so unless deemed competant and you arent competant in the eyes of the law unless you are registered as gas safe yourself or working for an employer at the time who is. So as you so ,no hard feelings but your a 100% wrong and it will catch up with you one day
another gas reg thats not so clear why dont they make the regs in plain eassy to understand english . I would agree in the fact if you are not gas safe registered how can your work be checked and registered the idea of being gas safe registered is to proove your compitent in the work place as they can check up any of your work at anytime .if its not registered it can be checked.just my view.come on gas safe make the regs easier to read.
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if you did gas work for a charity for no charge ,then according to your thinking fuzzy you dont need to be gsr,
i cant see it
i can see what you are saying whats stopping engineers doing forigners at the wk end and classing it as no financial gain if there is no paper trail.
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so why do the hse keep taking people to court who have previously passed their acs and been corgi/gas safe registered and prosecuted them for illegal works, it must be because they arent competant in the eyes of the law, simple really and therefore fuzz your understanding of the regs cannt be quite right can it!!
I doubt it ;-)Will you now accept i was right?
I doubt it ;-)
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