DIY Gas Fitting

[david williams]

define competent,every one defines it differently,even our courts cant decide.having every qualification in the book does not make you competent.

 

[yorkshiregasman]

Have had some "interesting" conversations about what competent is! Gas Safe tell me that it means having the qualifications and being able to demonstrate your application of the regulations in a safe and efficient way.

 

[gazultra]

Hi there looking for a bit of advice spent many years working for a heating company and had relevant gas qualifications to do my job CCN1 CEN1. For other reasons i retrained as an electrical engineer. Now obviously my qualifications have run out and I think only my CCN1 is in date.

What I am trying to ask is I want to put a combi boiler in my own home, I believe I am more than compotent to do so. just wondering how go about getting someone to commison it, will that need done? Or could that be part of a service. I am having nightmares over a jobsworth coming round and slating my work!!

I'm pretty wise to fitting a boiler and it's a pretty simple job job with 22mm gas supply, waste for condensate, flue hole already there. so obviously moneys tight and want to do it myself!

Anyone fancy keeping me right and telling me what I can and can't do. sorry if this has been asked a million times before!

 

[Deleted member 2053]

This question is becoming increasingly complex to answer because of issues like adequate system flushing, flue gas analysis and part 'P' regulations. There definitely are some GSR engineers who will let you do the bits you can, and do the other bits like flush, gas connection and commissioning themselves. However as this is a major share of the work and requires the specialist (and expensive) kit, you are unlikely to save much. With reference to your comments about 'Jobsworths' you have to remember that the guy who signs off for you is putting his livelihood on the line if you make a mistake that he doesn't pick up on.

 

[Mike Jackson]

Most engineers that I know won't commission a boiler that has been fitted by a non registered individual. When you sign off the boiler install you're even signing off that it's been fixed to the wall correctly.

I'll insist on hanging the boiler, fitting the flue, condense and gas myself at the very minimum before I sign off a boiler install.

 

[fuzzy]

Hi there looking for a bit of advice spent many years working for a heating company and had relevant gas qualifications to do my job CCN1 CEN1. For other reasons i retrained as an electrical engineer. Now obviously my qualifications have run out and I think only my CCN1 is in date.

What I am trying to ask is I want to put a combi boiler in my own home, I believe I am more than compotent to do so. just wondering how go about getting someone to commison it, will that need done? Or could that be part of a service. I am having nightmares over a jobsworth coming round and slating my work!!

I'm pretty wise to fitting a boiler and it's a pretty simple job job with 22mm gas supply, waste for condensate, flue hole already there. so obviously moneys tight and want to do it myself!

Anyone fancy keeping me right and telling me what I can and can't do. sorry if this has been asked a million times before!

the regs state you can install if competent to do so, if you feel you are competent and can justify yourself in court if the need arises then make your choice

 

[rodders]

the regs state you can install if competent to do so, if you feel you are competent and can justify yourself in court if the need arises then make your choice

This is not the full story. The regs do state if you are competent, from the Gas Regs...

PART B 3. (1) No Person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

BUT it goes on to say

PART B 3 (3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above ... is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the health and saftey executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

To me, that's saying you have to be fully registered with gas safe (a way of proving you are in that class of persons approved) and have all other relevant qualifications (Part P, Part L, CENWAT, CPA1 [from April 2012 I believe?] (which ever ones you need for the job), etc) and have good practical experience.

I think you would have a hard time in court saying that you feel competent!

Just be careful you don't drop yourself in it & get a gas safe engineer in to do the work.

Thanks

 

[ryangas]

In regards to competency with gas an individual is only competent if they have been deemed competent by a governing body
Gas Installations in a individuals home if carried out by an unqualified homeowner are still classed as illegal installations but these would only come to light if there was a unsafe situation or incident.

 

[ryangas]

Hi there looking for a bit of advice spent many years working for a heating company and had relevant gas qualifications to do my job CCN1 CEN1. For other reasons i retrained as an electrical engineer. Now obviously my qualifications have run out and I think only my CCN1 is in date.

What I am trying to ask is I want to put a combi boiler in my own home, I believe I am more than compotent to do so. just wondering how go about getting someone to commison it, will that need done? Or could that be part of a service. I am having nightmares over a jobsworth coming round and slating my work!!

I'm pretty wise to fitting a boiler and it's a pretty simple job job with 22mm gas supply, waste for condensate, flue hole already there. so obviously moneys tight and want to do it myself!

Anyone fancy keeping me right and telling me what I can and can't do. sorry if this has been asked a million times before!

When it comes to gas in my opinion a jobsworth is the best type of gas enginer always to the letter with maximum professionalism if you are as you say competent a gas engineer would not be able to slate your work as it would be to the same standard
im not saying you dont know how to complete the task but i do belive that a little knowlege is far more dangerous that none

Thanks Ryan

 

[fuzzy]

This is not the full story. The regs do state if you are competent, from the Gas Regs...

PART B 3. (1) No Person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

BUT it goes on to say

PART B 3 (3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above ... is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the health and saftey executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

To me, that's saying you have to be fully registered with gas safe (a way of proving you are in that class of persons approved) and have all other relevant qualifications (Part P, Part L, CENWAT, CPA1 [from April 2012 I believe?] (which ever ones you need for the job), etc) and have good practical experience.

I think you would have a hard time in court saying that you feel competent!

Just be careful you don't drop yourself in it & get a gas safe engineer in to do the work.

Thanks

second bit refers to financial gain, for example if you run a business or are self employed.

so regardless you can work on gas if competent to do so, you just cannot run as a business