DIY Gas Fitting

[Bernie2]

Yes, I would agree with that. I have had some real problems with that, when working as an operative for large housing associations on their housing stock. They want to keep the tenant happy and they do not want to spend money they feel they may not have too. The pressure on both you as the operative and the company you work for, can be tremendous to pass work you may not feel comfortable with passing. In your scenario even CORGI would not back you, yet who would take the blame if it went wrong? Please God it never did of course. I often think the protection of employed gas service operatives is nowhere near good enough to stop the many pressures excerted on them from both companies and clients.

 

[dancinplumba]

The thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.

We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.

So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.


I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.

Tim


PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?

think so, unless they have moved it

 

[fuzzy]

The thing we all have to accept is the fact that when ever we get to work on an appliance previously imstalled by some one else, we are obliged to commission it.

We dont assume its been done by a Registered Gas Installer just because the pipeworks neat.

So the benifit of doing a job where the householder, in this instance Gazultra is being honist and upfont about his lack of Job Licence, is that we are probably less likely to miss something.


I am not trying to be arguementative just thinking it may be better if we work with the unregistered than unknowingly work for them.

Tim


PS is Barlic still east of Preston, down the M65?

or better still get the work done by a competent person or rgi

 

[goz666]

Just read all 12 pages and am still not sure what is competent and what isn't ..lol..I read somewhere a few years ago that a guy down south of 25 years BG experience was working in the industry and refused to join CORGI. Went on to say that he challenged CORGI to take him to court and prove he was incompetent, advice given to him was that unless he'd caused an accident or they could prove his work was not up to standard they would lose and so they just ignored him and he carried on regardless. Anyone else remember this and know the outcome ????

 

[fuzzy]

Just read all 12 pages and am still not sure what is competent and what isn't ..lol..I read somewhere a few years ago that a guy down south of 25 years BG experience was working in the industry and refused to join CORGI. Went on to say that he challenged CORGI to take him to court and prove he was incompetent, advice given to him was that unless he'd caused an accident or they could prove his work was not up to standard they would lose and so they just ignored him and he carried on regardless. Anyone else remember this and know the outcome ????

but he was still breaking the law if he was working for gain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[goz666]

but he was still breaking the law if he was working for gain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd say it was up to CORGI to prove his incompetence, if they can't prove that he ain't breaking the law imo. I think they knew that and that's why they never took him to court. How can anyone prove incompetence unless they can gather evidence of such i.e. accidents, poor workmanship ??
From experience judges listen to facts, and I would really like to see Gassafe prove this in court once and for all or change the wording.
We all know it should say only person's with the relevant ACS qualifications and registered with the governing body are legal to carry out Gas work, there must be a financial reason for them not doing this ???

 

[fuzzy]

I'd say it was up to CORGI to prove his incompetence, if they can't prove that he ain't breaking the law imo. I think they knew that and that's why they never took him to court. How can anyone prove incompetence unless they can gather evidence of such i.e. accidents, poor workmanship ??
From experience judges listen to facts, and I would really like to see Gassafe prove this in court once and for all or change the wording.
We all know it should say only person's with the relevant ACS qualifications and registered with the governing body are legal to carry out Gas work, there must be a financial reason for them not doing this ???

im not suggesting he is or is not competent, but it is quite clear, to work for gain ie.employed or self employed you not only need to be competent but registered. If he isnt registered he aint legal

 

[Bernie2]

Its interesting, but when you think about it, many registered gas fitters with qualifications have probably made mistakes as well as those without. What really matters is the quality of the work produced not if the person who did it is qualified or not. The presumptions is that if you are qualified you should be competent of turning out good work. So qualification is based upon presumption not proven ability. But companies get paid for their work not their qualification, its probably why a well qualified 3 month course person has problems getting employment with companies. The companies assume they have no experience of turning out good work.

The thing is you can't really know if they can turn out good work, until you see some of it. So what if you went to a site and saw good work from a none qualified person and good work from a qualified person. Which one would you pass if you did not know which engineer was qualified and which was not?

Obviously you would have to pass both.

 

[fuzzy]

I'd say it was up to CORGI to prove his incompetence, if they can't prove that he ain't breaking the law imo. I think they knew that and that's why they never took him to court. How can anyone prove incompetence unless they can gather evidence of such i.e. accidents, poor workmanship ??
From experience judges listen to facts, and I would really like to see Gassafe prove this in court once and for all or change the wording.
We all know it should say only person's with the relevant ACS qualifications and registered with the governing body are legal to carry out Gas work, there must be a financial reason for them not doing this ???

have you warned him?

 

[fuzzy]

Its interesting, but when you think about it, many registered gas fitters with qualifications have probably made mistakes as well as those without. What really matters is the quality of the work produced not if the person who did it is qualified or not. The presumptions is that if you are qualified you should be competent of turning out good work. So qualification is based upon presumption not proven ability. But companies get paid for their work not their qualification, its probably why a well qualified 3 month course person has problems getting employment with companies. The companies assume they have no experience of turning out good work.

The thing is you can't really know if they can turn out good work, until you see some of it. So what if you went to a site and saw good work from a none qualified person and good work from a qualified person. Which one would you pass if you did not know which engineer was qualified and which was not?

Obviously you would have to pass both.

you wouldnt be checking a non qualified persons work as they are not registered so wouldnt know!

the regs say you cannot be employed (including self) if you are not registered with gas safe. so regardless of the competence thing you MUST be registered