plumbing apprentice

[niallcoulding]

hi all am 18 years of age , done my level 2 at college now , but need an apprenticeship to carry me up to my level 4 does anyone know of any plumbers who are taking on in the blackpool area ? , also have a car so am willing to travel if need be , cheers.

niall

 

[fuzzy]

level 4?

 

[Gray0689]

Yes there is a level 4

 

[fuzzy]

there is no level 4 in plumbing mate

 

[Gray0689]

City & Guilds 6089 NVQ Level 3 Plumbing. Where can it lead? Level 4 Mechanical Services
For plumbers and sparks
In south west college in northern Ireland

 

[fuzzy]

enlighten me, were is there a course in level 4 plumbing, please tell me

 

[Gray0689]

enlighten me, were is there a course in level 4 plumbing, please tell me

Enlighten yourself look it up

 

[fuzzy]

impossible to look uop im afriad as there is no level 4 in plumbing, if there was you would have posted a link or something, the fact you cannot proves there is no level 4 in plumbing

 

[Gray0689]

City & Guilds 6089 NVQ Level 3 Plumbing. Where can it lead? Level 4 Mechanical Services
For plumbers and sparks

 

[Gray0689]

Look up

 

[fuzzy]

That qualification is an NVQ4 in building services and assesses such things as supivisory and management. Not many centres offer it as there is a construction nvq3 for supervisors and a construction level 4 nvq for managers which are more popular and do pretty much the same thing. they also complete with the national certificates and higher national certificates in building services engineering which have been around years and therefore recognised by employers.

Be aware this is not a plumbing level 4, level 3 is the highest you can go in a craft specific vocation, any further assesses managing, supervising, accounts etc not installing and thats why it can be cross trade. Its done purely onsite if im not mistaken.

It is the first step to entering management status. A worthy qual and one id like to see take off in popularity.

 

[Gray0689]

No it's all classroom work over here

 

[fuzzy]

im presuming its the new name for hnc then. i looked into the nvq 4 years ago before doing my hnc, this looks like the new hnc to me, all the names have changed

 

[Gray0689]

im presuming its the new name for hnc then. i looked into the nvq 4 years ago before doing my hnc, this looks like the new hnc to me, all the names have changed

Not sure could be

 

[fuzzy]

not sure what this is, just realised its a C&G qual, they dont offer HNC's? So it must be either the new version of the previous NVQ4 in BS management or something completly new, ill try to get some answers, i can only find one college that offer it in the south west!

 

[fuzzy]

ok, just had a look at this on the C&G website, its completly new and probably why not many colleges are yet offering it. TBH it looks like a great qual, my concern is colleges making it viable, are they likely to get a full class each year to run with this? it will probably only run in the major citys which have a large cathment area. it is run just like an HNC its all coursework and is made up of 2 core units with a futher 10 for each pathway, one elec and one mechanical so people from plumb/H&V/refridge etc.
Let me know if you do it, theres no practical at all, all theory based

 

[REDSAW]

there is also an nvq level 5 too, i have the bumf somewhere laying around.
its like a degree level for management designs or summat.

 

[johns]

Hey

I have just started a plumbing course that will give me the following qualifications, City and Guilds 6128 Level 2Technical Certificate in Heating and Ventilation, OCN 116786 Accredited Domestic plumbing programme. are these qualifications seen as good ones to have for someone who is just starting out in the trade?

 

[WaterTight]

you guys need to catch up i'm a level 5 plumber.

 

[fuzzy]

6128 is not plumbing but heating and vent, a different trade, many have posted the same lately, think there must be some misleadind suppliers of quals if you think thats plumbing

 

[Dotty]

you guys need to catch up i'm a level 5 plumber.

I'm still in the basement.........

Likes it dark, me!

 

[WaterTight]

Wow. Avatars. Good idea?

 

[PlumbBobBob]

i'm not so sure lol

steve

 

[Dotty]

i'm not so sure lol

steve

I know.

Sadly I really do look like that!

 

[dontknowitall]

I feel right dainty ...

 

[moony]

6128 is not plumbing but heating and vent, a different trade, many have posted the same lately, think there must be some misleadind suppliers of quals if you think thats plumbing

only difference is theres no lead work - i done my 6088 in heating and vent - and the course ran from the heimenens level 2 and 3 plumbing books - the only chapter not covered was lead work fuzzy....

i think weve had this conversation before, but there is hardly any difference in the courses the tutor told us this - it just concentrates on the heating sector more which i think would benefit a lot of plumbers as there are only so many bathrooms soil stacks you can do. On our level three we covered fault finding on boilers central heating systems full house heating measurements - multi meter work - gas sizing - all domestic as you have a choice at begininng of course if your following commercial or domestic. Anyways i have found its helped me a lot more without knocking **** out of a piece of lead for a few months which most roofers do nowadays anyway

 

[fuzzy]

only difference is theres no lead work - i done my 6088 in heating and vent - and the course ran from the heimenens level 2 and 3 plumbing books - the only chapter not covered was lead work fuzzy....

i think weve had this conversation before, but there is hardly any difference in the courses the tutor told us this - it just concentrates on the heating sector more which i think would benefit a lot of plumbers as there are only so many bathrooms soil stacks you can do. On our level three we covered fault finding on boilers central heating systems full house heating measurements - multi meter work - gas sizing - all domestic as you have a choice at begininng of course if your following commercial or domestic. Anyways i have found its helped me a lot more without knocking **** out of a piece of lead for a few months which most roofers do nowadays anyway

the tutor lied mate, it is not plumbing, never mind lead, did you cover sanitation? bathrroms etc etc. ? it aint in the course mate. i know ive done both

 

[moony]

yes mate - 4 of my jobs were bathrooms with radiators involved, 7 of them were full heating - 2 were soil stacks. that was for level 2 - level 3 was more aimed to heating only.

on the first 2 years - there were lads who only done bathrooms - they couldnt come back for 3rd year because they were not with anyone who was gas safe.

i think its an excellent course these days as it concentrates on heating more (where the money is now imo) you are then classed as a domestic heating fitter/engineer with cscs card....

I served my time with a gas safe engineer, he also specialised in kitchens and bathrooms even building work so i gained all angles of knowledge - i learnt more about the heating systems from my course though and was thankful for this when it come to starting my own plumbing and heating business as i had a lot more knowledge about fault finding and heating layouts.

each to there own mate - if youve done the course (which iirc you done it a long time ago when you were a pipefitter there was probably no option to go along the domestic route then ) and you dont think you have gained any plumbing knowledge from it then fair play - but i gained a lot from it and it helped produce my portfolio for the gassafe reg, and the college even funded the ccn1 we had to pay for the extra appliances....part of the welsh assembly funding.

 

[fuzzy]

i did the H&V 20 years ago and the plumbing NVQs about 5 /6 years ago just to recognise my other skills as there was no domestic plumbing at all in the H&V 20 years ago. surprised there is now?

 

[fuzzy]

just thought, did you do the domestic H&V? there are 2 options commercial or domestic

 

[fuzzy]

there was only 1 option when i did it, dont know why they split it??? i think it was just for mature workers at first, direct nvq

 

[moony]

just thought, did you do the domestic H&V? there are 2 options commercial or domestic

domestic mate - there were 13 doing domestic 2 doing commercial different portolio and tracking for both sets.

you get the choice at start --- depending on what your employer was mainly doing

 

[fuzzy]

right, hence the confusion mate!!! there was never a domestic version when i did it, i did the commercial and industrial version as that was the only one!
why have a domestic H&V? why not just do plumbing?

 

[moony]

because it concentrates more on the heating side of things - the amount of plumber around here who do just bathrooms is unreal. the real job opportunities arise in the heating and fault finding sector - I'm lucky that i can supply and fit high end bathrooms - fit kitchens to a high standard - but i specialize in heating and i really want to get into renew ables. my heating and vent domestic course was the course that suited my requirements - i would never let anyone slag it off without looking into it. especially if taught by the right bloke.

i had to travel 40 Miles round trip to college that done this course when there is a college literally 5 minutes walk that does plumbing, but the college i went to had a teacher ex Worcester engineer - amazing guy very friendly and as i was a lot older i learnt a lot off him while the 16 yr olds were messing about. Its a great course imo - we had visits to various boiler manufacturers and training days.

 

[fuzzy]

i get ya, i do worry that we are creating to many varients of courses. it used to be much more straight forward