Landlord safety check v Full service

[moony]

Kirk, we had our CP12s customised to include the words boiler, fire, and cooker pre-printed in the appliance box. So now the engineers write ELEC next to the relevant appliance and scratch through the rest. Similar to what you were doing.

Ben, we supply a boiler which by law we are obliged to check. It is no different than a flue we supply, regardless of whether it's connected to our fire or a tenant's. We have a duty of care ensure the things we provide are safe; the law says we are obliged to check it.

It's not unknown to see forums full of engineers complaining about cheapskate landlords putting tenant's safety at risk. This, however, is the first time I've seen one complain we do too much and it's none of our business.

I suggest we agree to disagree, particularly as you have a penchant for peppering your debates with insults. And for the record, I don't just sit behind a desk all day and it is incorrect to assume I am 'without any relevant real life experience'.

good reply - good idea of the pre printed cp12's to suit your particular needs

 

[Puddle]

Please be advised this thread is being closely monitored

Again I would request all posts are kept on topic and refer to new opinions or comment on previous post content and not on the poster ie

NO PERSONAL REMARKS OR DIGS ,there is no need for it and it is not productive

This, in the main is a good thread, with good discussion and think we can all agree ,we do not want spoilt by a few, this is not going to happen


Thank you

 

[Puddle]

I like the idea of noting an electric cooker if fitted, if gas supply behind it, am surprised duel fuel cookers are never mentioned I state gas top hob, electric oven and grill, were applicable

I note any gas appliances that has been previously capped off and state ''not to be reconnected and used'' without further inspection

Do not really like the idea of unused gas appliances being just capped and left in position,especially in cheaper maintained properties were heating may be poor,it is just asking someone to reconnect a dangerous appliance for some extra heat ect,alway make note that appliance should be removed

Also now I have started noting the actual size/type of ventilation if required and were located

Must admit now that I come across less open flued boilers, making it more manageable ,thinking taking pics of installation

Also as I have said before ,if I do a gas check on a opened flue appliance, I insist they have a co2 alarm placed near appliance, as cost of these units so low now and once explained to l/l have not had any who really kick up any fuss

Would add that these units would be really cheap for the gas suppliers to purchase in bulk and would like to be sent out/or given out via all gas engineers to people free who had open flue appliances,like energy saving light bulbs and condoms are !

 

[moony]

Would add that these units would be really cheap for the gas suppliers to purchase in bulk and would like to be sent out/or given out via all gas engineers to people free who had open flue appliances,like energy saving light bulbs and condoms are !

this is a good point - not sure the gas suppliers would go for it - but i dont see any reason for the owners of the property to supply these for open flued appliances if it doesnt cost too much.

 

[CMairiD]

Sometimes it's difficult to get tenants to do away with their old appliances. Very first service I did, a lovely old boy in his 80's had a cooker that had been ID'd about six years ago. The thing was in pristine condition--a museum piece! I offered to have it carted away, but bless him, he said it was his mother's cooker and had sentimental value. Fortunately, it was cut and capped.

 

[bengasman]

Ben, we supply a boiler which by law we are obliged to check. It is no different than a flue we supply, regardless of whether it's connected to our fire or a tenant's. We have a duty of care ensure the things we provide are safe; the law says we are obliged to check it.

A boiler is a gas appliance, and as such, the landlord is obliged to maintain it, and have it annually inspected.
A chimney is not an appliance, and if the tenant is using that for his own fire, than HE has a legal obligation TO THE LANDLORD to :
Ensure that the appliance is installed legally and safely.
Maintain it to a safe standard.

Removing a fire to have a look at the chimney is pointless because:

A visual inspection of a small part of the chimney will not give a conclusive picture.
It does not constitute a proper test/inspection
To do that properly, the fire has to be in place.

 

[ferret]

A boiler is a gas appliance, and as such, the landlord is obliged to maintain it, and have it annually inspected.
A chimney is not an appliance, and if the tenant is using that for his own fire, than HE has a legal obligation TO THE LANDLORD to :
Ensure that the appliance is installed legally and safely.
Maintain it to a safe standard.

Removing a fire to have a look at the chimney is pointless because:

A visual inspection of a small part of the chimney will not give a conclusive picture.
It does not constitute a proper test/inspection
To do that properly, the fire has to be in place.

No Ben its not just looked at it has a smoke test to ensure it pulls correctly to clear any products ofcombustion that come from the tenants own 'appliance'

 

[chelsea]

When i do gas saftey checks i always asked has the boiler been serviced in the last 12 months if no,then i say that it has to be serviced too and it will cost X amount

if it has been serviced i ask for the receipt of previous engineer then i just gas safety check

if they have not got one and say it has been serviced,i have learnt all customers tend to be not so truthful so i say regardless it will still need to be serviced to satisfy me and i know that it has been done properly

 

[GPSNewcastle]

anyone who is carrying out a full service for the price of a CP12 needs to get their heading seen to

 

[GPSNewcastle]

anyone who is carrying out a full service for the price of a CP12 needs to get their heading seen to

I meant head seeing to....looks like i might require it actually!

 

[julesverne]

My old man has 9 properties in manchester and before i became gas registered he was charged £37.50 for a landlord cert. do you reckon he serviced an open flue'd fire gas hob/oven and boiler included in that price i think we all know the answer to that. he did it at that price for one reason, lanlords generally do not maintain appliances by services so he got a lot of work replacing and fixing stuff. myself can't believe he charged £37.50 for a landlord(2009) cert min has to be at least £50.00 for 3 appliances

 

[desrob]

no chance - landlord check consists of visual checks - analyser - gas pressures. if any of them are not right then i suggest a service or repair and ar or id the boiler - landlords are trying there best to get this cheaper and cheaper - and many heating engineers are driving down the prices - if they want a service they can have it service no problem if they want it checked i will check it - they are 2 different services and i point this out. An mot on a car is equivelant to a landlord safety check - a service is as it says on the tin a service.

on newer boilers such as the worcestors i wont check fan pressures unless its a service - gas pressures and analyser only. sorry mr landlord but the service is extra even if im only checking one thing more. Im fed up of this trade being saturated anymore than it is already.

total respect,i thought i was alone.

 

[yo1]

Say if it is the tenants gas appliance, say like the example of fire being tenants but not the chimney.. would you not even touch the appliances and carry on with the other appliances or carry out a visual inspection, my question been should you have anything to do with a tenants appliances.. Also maybe check that it had been installed by a RGI and if it hadn't act on it. Or visually inspect it only then maybe act on the visual inspection, and maybe find its ID/AR, even though its not the landlords and you may not have permission or have been invited to work on it?

 

[kirkgas]

there is a TB on this, it depends on what work is done if you dont interupt the supply you do a 5 point visual on the tenants cooker, location, flue, ventilation, signs of distress & stabl and secure, if you do interupt the supply you do a 6 point visual which adds checking flame picture, you have been invited to inspect ,the installation by the owner so you have a right to do the visual, as the owner must confirm property is safe, so if you fid AR or ID on tenants cooker you act on it on behalf of the owner, easy peasy