Average week on the cards?

[Rickster123]

Evening all, just wondered what you believe to be a fair weeks work for a guy on the cards booking 40 hours a week. I ask because I feel the blokes are being pushed to much at the moment. The work is boiler swaps and or 6 rad combi systems. What should be expected over 5 days?

 

[hammers4spanner]

i would want to be earning £700 per week but i have not worked on the cards for a long time

i would also expect van/fuel/all the gas toys as well

 

[IDCHAPPY]

i would want to be earning £700 per week but i have not worked on the cards for a long time

i would also expect van/fuel/all the gas toys as well

I think he's talking work wise, not wedge wise

A boiler change a day is a fair days graft if it's a straight swap or 2/3 days for a 5/6 rad install.

 

[hammers4spanner]

still depends what the pay is pay crap then get slow production

i would question why oh why would anyone do boiler changes on the cards???

 

[PlumbersMate]

Gotta be 2 day installs on cards IMO

 

[Leo21]

Boiler swap, one bloke one day. Upgrade, bbu out and tanks etc, one bloke two days. Full system two blokes, two days.
The harder they're pushed the rougher the work will be.

 

[Killy Bing]

I might add, the longer they are pushed, the less they will care...

 

[Rickster123]

Boiler swap, one bloke one day. Upgrade, bbu out and tanks etc, one bloke two days. Full system two blokes, two days.
The harder they're pushed the rougher the work will be.

And that's the problem. Jobs are starting to look rushed because the guys are being rushed. One guys been given two full heating systems this week. 6 rads and 8 rads. It's too much. A year back it was a system and a boiler in 5 days. Then it went to a system and 2 boilers. And now this.

 

[Killy Bing]

And that's the problem. Jobs are starting to look rushed because the guys are being rushed. One guys been given two full heating systems this week. 6 rads and 8 rads. It's too much. A year back it was a system and a boiler in 5 days. Then it went to a system and 2 boilers. And now this.

.......from the outside, when companies do this they are either becoming extremely greedy or.........

update your cv adam!

 

[Leo21]

And that's the problem. Jobs are starting to look rushed because the guys are being rushed. One guys been given two full heating systems this week. 6 rads and 8 rads. It's too much. A year back it was a system and a boiler in 5 days. Then it went to a system and 2 boilers. And now this.

Many moons ago, I was doing two six rad systems a week in flats. I was in my late twenties and it nearly killed me. It's just to much! And there was no lift, the flats were three storeys.

 

[Millsy 82]

I came off installs years ago as for what they were paying they expect far too much. Combi swap rad valves in a day. I could do it but for £450 a week before tax not a chance pay me a grand I'll do it with out moaning. Full system was 2 days flat or bungalow 2.5 days average 3 bed house. Those I really struggled with.

 

[Rickster123]

.......from the outside, when companies do this they are either becoming extremely greedy or.........

update your cv adam!

When you've got a face as trustworthy as mine you don't need a cv!

 

[Leo21]

Looks like you got of the tools at the right time Adam!

 

[Rickster123]

Many moons ago, I was doing two six rad systems a week in flats. I was in my late twenties and it nearly killed me. It's just to much! And there was no lift, the flats were three storeys.

But was that price work? These guys are on 30k basic. And overtime is non existent.

 

[Rickster123]

Looks like you got of the tools at the right time Adam!

Hardly. Guys are going mental at me as if it's my fault! Never ending grief!

 

[Leo21]

Hardly. Guys are going mental at me as if it's my fault! Never ending grief!

But getting grief is better than working for a living surely?

 

[Rickster123]

But getting grief is better than working for a living surely?

No mate its poo. Boring. Tedious. I still do installs half the week. Met up with an old mate today and might go back house bashing on price instead.

 

[Leo21]

But was that price work? These guys are on 30k basic. And overtime is non existent.

We worked on ten pound an hour, but were allowed to book thirteen hour days if we got things done. it was cracking money at the time. I'm sure it's why I'm fluxed know though!

 

[Leo21]

No mate its poo. Boring. Tedious. I still do installs half the week. Met up with an old mate today and might go back house bashing on price instead.

Why don't you go self employed? You can be miserable like the rest of us then.

 

[Rickster123]

Why don't you go self employed? You can be miserable like the rest of us then.

Ive enjoyed my paid holidays and fuel card!

 

[Killy Bing]

Why don't you go self employed? You can be miserable like the rest of us then.

shut up, he will keep the van instead then.....
he cant fit all his tools in the smart car...

 

[Nostrum]

What sort of work is it AP? Contract or private?

Is that 2 full packs a week on their own?

 

[Rickster123]

shut up, he will keep the van instead then.....
he cant fit all his tools in the smart car...

You never seen a smart car with roof ladders on top before?!

 

[Rickster123]

What sort of work is it AP? Contract or private?

Is that 2 full packs a week on their own?

Its housing association. Two full packs one guy on his own.

 

[Nostrum]

They could kiss my ringo if that was expected on the cards.

I know times are tough and especially with H.A work the contract rates are so tight it's almost impossible earning money off them without piling in the extras but that is hard graft for anyone no matter how skilled. Verging on dangerous rushing around shifting furniture, power tools, tenants falling down floor boards, ladder work etc

 

[hammers4spanner]

AP thought you were looking at leaving anyhows??

 

[Rickster123]

AP thought you were looking at leaving anyhows??

I still am. Trouble is it could be a great company. But some of the decisions mate by those on high are ruining it rapidly.

 

[Nostrum]

Hammers, do you know of the company local to us who's strap line was 'done in a day or you don't pay' ?

 

[hammers4spanner]

yep 'not the cheapest but one of the neatest '

haha i known them for years

 

[hammers4spanner]

Hammers, do you know of the company local to us who's strap line was 'done in a day or you don't pay' ?

have worked opposite from his mob on few heating contracts was like wacky plumbing see who could do the most packs , we were doing two packs a day cant do that now tho to many nobbers in the game ruining it.plus dont think i would want to

 

[northcarr]

We worked on ten pound an hour, but were allowed to book thirteen hour days if we got things done. it was cracking money at the time. I'm sure it's why I'm fluxed know though!

Lol 10ph is what company's are paying now around me and expecting 10 services a day that's why I'm self employed.

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Lol 10ph is what company's are paying now around me and expecting 10 services a day that's why I'm self employed.

Bloomin heck that's a low wage......and as for 10 services a day, hope theirs no Bunin there.

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Bunin is supposed to say Back boilers duh

 

[jtsplumbing]

Glad I don't have to do it, did it years back when you could earn good money, you were treated well and appreciated for what you did, did get my state pension papers today, not long now, then no more S--t to put up with.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Lads I know, cards in are getting paid 90 a boiler swap.

id rather work in Tescos

 

[acecharly]

Lads I know, cards in are getting paid 90 a boiler swap.

id rather work in Tescos

I bet they pay more in Tescos lol

90 a day is disgusting, where i am 175 a combi and 120 heat only , straight swapsies.

 

[JAH HEATING]

I bet they pay more in Tescos lol

90 a day is disgusting, where i am 175 a combi and 120 heat only , straight swapsies.

Its a bloody ****take.

youd earn more on the taxis, sat on ye @rse all day

 

[jtsplumbing]

Lads I know, cards in are getting paid 90 a boiler swap.

id rather work in Tescos

Think if we all give it up and got jobs driving vans or stacking shelves then may be this industry would sort its self out, must be the only trade that everyone wants to screw , from the government to the customer, Wonder how the country would get on without Plumbers, how long B4 the system ground to a standstill

 

[gasmanrob]

Think if we all give it up and got jobs driving vans or stacking shelves then may be this industry would sort its self out, must be the only trade that everyone wants to screw , from the government to the customer, Wonder how the country would get on without Plumbers, how long B4 the system ground to a standstill

It wouldn't they'd just let another state into the eu.

 

[acecharly]

I tell you something i see wages going up everywhere and our game hasnt gone up for about 4-5 years now. Used to be like 50p a year on the books but it all just stopped.

 

[Millsy 82]

At the moment there is an abundance of plumbers so it is an employers market due to sites not offering decent money and people expecting to earn 60k straight out of college. In a couple of years it will go back to almost as good as a couple of years ago but it's the same for sparks as well. These training companies take thousands off people who think they are in for a good deal but they don't realise they will have to take a massive drop in Wages to get experience to earn money. When people cotton on to these companies it will make things better too.

 

[hammers4spanner]

it wont go back to how it use to be their will always be people wanting to retrain be going on for ten years or so now.

anyone who is doing boiler swaps for pittance is quite simply an idiot

 

[Nostrum]

have worked opposite from his mob on few heating contracts was like wacky plumbing see who could do the most packs , we were doing two packs a day cant do that now tho to many nobbers in the game ruining it.plus dont think i would want to

Ive heard some stories from them though, chucking carpets and furniture out the front door on the grass, shutting the old dear who lived in the house in a cupboard sat on a chair with a cup of tea while they rip the front room to pieces to fit the heating!

 

[jtsplumbing]

it wont go back to how it use to be their will always be people wanting to retrain be going on for ten years or so now.

anyone who is doing boiler swaps for pittance is quite simply an idiot

Yes there is a chap on another post, part time fireman, wants to give it up and take up plumbing, what is the attraction , only the odd one who makes very good money, every one else is just making a living, (IF your lucky) and what do you get in the end !! bad back, knees F---'D , nothing in the bank, no pension, years back used to be a good thing to get into, good money, prospects, Now just working yourself to death for someone's leftovers, Big Co have got greedy and ruined the industry, Days of the SE engineer are running out, wil be priced out by countless training costs & equipment requirement's not counting all the other leaches you have to pay out to B4 you even step out the door.

 

[Leo21]

Yes there is a chap on another post, part time fireman, wants to give it up and take up plumbing, what is the attraction , only the odd one who makes very good money, every one else is just making a living, (IF your lucky) and what do you get in the end !! bad back, knees F---'D , nothing in the bank, no pension, years back used to be a good thing to get into, good money, prospects, Now just working yourself to death for someone's leftovers, Big Co have got greedy and ruined the industry, Days of the SE engineer are running out, wil be priced out by countless training costs & equipment requirement's not counting all the other leaches you have to pay out to B4 you even step out the door.

Crickey! Cheer up fella. Yes it's tough, but quite a few do ok. Sometimes it's skill, other times it's luck. Right place and clientele.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Crickey! Cheer up fella. Yes it's tough, but quite a few do ok. Sometimes it's skill, other times it's luck. Right place and clientele.

I'm cheerful enough, but its no good painting over the cracks for people wanting to take up plumbing, they need to see both sides of the coin, plenty of hype about huge earnings but very little about the down side, not the best time for anyone in the building trade, but it just amaze's me why every one wants to be a plumber , I think he needs to stay at what he is doing and try to do a plumbing course on is days off.

 

[kirkgas]

still depends what the pay is pay crap then get slow production

i would question why oh why would anyone do boiler changes on the cards???

Eh? They would do it cause their boss has won a contract to do the work, I've never been SE doing gas or im bong and have done 100's of boiler swaps, isn't that part and parcel of what we do? It's just a job

 

[kirkgas]

But getting grief is better than working for a living surely?

I agree

 

[hammers4spanner]

Eh? They would do it cause their boss has won a contract to do the work, I've never been SE doing gas or im bong and have done 100's of boiler swaps, isn't that part and parcel of what we do? It's just a job

thats why i would never want to work on the books

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ive heard some stories from them though, chucking carpets and furniture out the front door on the grass, shutting the old dear who lived in the house in a cupboard sat on a chair with a cup of tea while they rip the front room to pieces to fit the heating!

They were one of the first mobs to crack into the one a day game they have made a mint from it although kinda black listed now but hey ho gotta a lot of coin from it .

One of the funny ones they use to do is change the circuit to as small as possible so in and out quicker and what they would say to the tennants is we need to make the circuit smaller otherwise the boiler would blow up !!!!

Th main contractors would tolerate it as they use to earn alot of coin from them