Yes there is a chap on another post, part time fireman, wants to give it up and take up plumbing, what is the attraction , only the odd one who makes very good money, every one else is just making a living, (IF your lucky) and what do you get in the end !! bad back, knees F---'D , nothing in the bank, no pension, years back used to be a good thing to get into, good money, prospects, Now just working yourself to death for someone's leftovers, Big Co have got greedy and ruined the industry, Days of the SE engineer are running out, wil be priced out by countless training costs & equipment requirement's not counting all the other leaches you have to pay out to B4 you even step out the door.