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I'm not sure why the moderator has blocked further posts to my last thread but I think if someone says something is dangerous and illegal it would be good for everyone to know why?

Worchester Bosch 40cdi Error code EA

So my question is what was dangerous, please be specific and what law has been broken. We are all here to learn, I genuinely appreciate your feedback.
 
Which of the answers on your first thread didn't you understand regarding being competent
You obviously have some brain inside your head, but not enough to know you have potentially put yourself (and probably others) at risk
What safety procedure did you follow after reassembling gas valve
 
Are you qualified to strip and service a gas valve : No

Are you qualified to remove a boilers case and refit and check negative pressure seals : No

Are you qualified to mess with the pcb and check correct operation of the components : No

Are you qualified to mess with a gas appliance : No

Are you qualified to test for gas leaks / escapes : No
 
Michael Groves said:
Please keep on track, what was dangerous and what law was broken. I'm not being difficult, I honestly want to know?
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Gas safe regulations and igem

What is your background / makes you think your qualified/ competent
 
The dangerous part is,,,,,you don't know
As for the legalities, that's anther story
 
You clearly sound like a clever man. However being clever does not excuse ignorance. When a qualified gas safe Registered Engineer asks you if you are gas safe Registered and you answer NO. The engineers then tell you that you are then not qualified to test or work on the appliance. YOU then see fit to complete the work anyway. What you have done is reportable/not clever and potentially dangerous. People like yourself that tinker with boilers is the reason that a governing body exists in the first place. You should have respect for your and other people’s safety.
 
Hi Michael,

As the guys/girls above have mentioned you are mad to mess with the boiler.

Although you may be a smart cookie & have a copy/download of the manufacturers installation instructions giving fault codes and possible items that may be causing these you don't have the depth of understanding that fault diagnosis/fault rectification of different gas appliances.

As mentioned you have now invalidated you home insurance and put potentially yourself, your family & neighbours at risk through your ignorance/lack of depth knowledge.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE turn off/isolate your boiler & call in a registered GSR engineer & explain to him/her what you have done.

At least they can fix it for you without going up a blind alley which will cost you yet more money or if you have unwittingly done something which is dangerous & has compromised the inherent gas safety of the appliance they will isolate whilst obtaining spare parts for your own protection.

As above we won't give advice solely for the reasons as mentioned by the other posters to protect people from there own ignorance/stupidity/naivety.

Thanks,

Andy
 
You don't have the equipment to test the boiler is burning correctly after changing parts.

How have you tested the gas supply after changing he valve and removing the test nipple at the meter?
 
I can see where the guy is coming from, but in all honesty who is going to report him ? His house his boiler we know the law, and he has done wrong, But how meny others do the same thing ? it will never stop as long as all the information that is required is easily available, parts for gas appliance's can be bought over the counter by anyone, the same as test equipment, you can even hire it! All the Merchants, DIY Stores , online shopping will all sell any Gas Appliance or spare part you need with no questions asked, So as long as this go's on DIY work on gas will not stop ! and people look at what they are spending and as long as they can save a £1. they will keep on doing it.
 
It's upto us gas engineers to educate them, I agree with you it will still happen
 
As the saying goes guys a little knowledge can be dangerous in our job it can be fatal , dont mess with gas appliances leave it to the trained GSI keep yourself and your family safe and warm. cheers Kop
 
[QUOTE="Harvest Fields, post: 973791, member: 5819]However they do like to leave a mess when they work:p:p:p:D[/QUOTE]

Like a few plumbers I know :)
 
Michael Groves, You mentioned in your other post that in your opinion there are varying degrees of competency. I certainly was not calling you an idiot and you may feel you are comptant in your eyes. But the the LAW does not agree with you. It is quite clearly stated that only a competent person can carry out any gas related work. And in the UK the ONLY persons deemed competent by law are those persons who hold a valid Gas Safe licence and even then they are only competent in the categories stated on the back of that licence. There is no variation at all you are either competent or not. therefore that means you hold a GSR licence or you don't "simples"
 
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Thats very interesting ........ I'll bear that in mind when he's posting on the sparks forum.

My guess is that he's tinkering with a boiler in one of his properties with tenants in

Scary stuff all round.
 
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Murdoch said:
Thats very interesting . I'll bear that in mind when he's posting on the sparks forum.

My guess is that he's tinkering with a boiler in one of his properties with tenants in

Scary stuff all round.
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I hope he isn’t. There should be a policy on here that states, if you are found to be tinkering with gas appliance and you are not qualified this web forum will report you.
 
Just to set the record straight, yes I am a spark and part of a competent person scheme. I am also a landlord, Advanced PADI diver and swam 800 meters at school and have a badge to prove it!
What relevance this has is beyond me. Please keep this professional.

It was my own boiler, all my tenants boilers are serviced and have gas safety certificates issued yearly as required.

Back to the matter in hand, I will reply further over the weekend when I have more time.
 
Michael Groves said:
Just to set the record straight, yes I am a spark and part of a competent person scheme. I am also a landlord, Advanced PADI diver and swam 800 meters at school and have a badge to prove it!
What relevance this has is beyond me. Please keep this professional.

It was my own boiler, all my tenants boilers are serviced and have gas safety certificates issued yearly as required.

Back to the matter in hand, I will reply further over the weekend when I have more time.
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Then you should know better. Think that’s enough said.
 
Michael Groves said:
Just to set the record straight, yes I am a spark and part of a competent person scheme. I am also a landlord, Advanced PADI diver and swam 800 meters at school and have a badge to prove it!
What relevance this has is beyond me. Please keep this professional.

It was my own boiler, all my tenants boilers are serviced and have gas safety certificates issued yearly as required.

Back to the matter in hand, I will reply further over the weekend when I have more time.
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This go's back to my first reply ! Its in his house its his own personal property, who is going to stop him doing what he wants with it ? you can attach this argument to anything, take your car/van for example you tinker with the engine or whatever, something happens to you get prosecuted for NOT being competent because you haven't done a mechanics course, your reply I didn't know anyway its my car I can do what I want to it, I can buy the parts & tools so what's to stop me !!
You will never stop people tinkering around with there own goods its human nature, we have all done things at home etc. moved a switch/plug worked on the car, did we call in a sparks or a mechanic ? answer NO so maybe we are just as much to blame.
 
jtsplumbing said:
who is going to stop him doing what he wants with it ?
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No-one is!

There are no 'fiddle with your own Gas appliance, van brakes, Electrics, Police', Or at least if there are I have never seen them in action. You are free to do as you wish, we all are.

The thing is, it is difficult to prove competence after the fact, even if you didn't do anything wrong. That is why we have competent persons schemes. They are beyond a joke and a money spinning farce in my opinion. Nevertheless, in theory you have proven your competence in advance should any unfortunate mishap occur.
That does not mean of course that you are exempt from prosecution, just that it was acceptable for you to be working on whatever the mishap was caused by and that theoretically you knew what you were doing with it. It also means that you were insured to be working on whatever it was, presuming you have taken that out.

The Law is never as cut and dried as we might think it is.
 
Also if you had been GSR theres a very high chance you would have known the fault without half of the dangerous messing you done before hand
 
jtsplumbing said:
I can see where the guy is coming from, but in all honesty who is going to report him ? His house his boiler we know the law, and he has done wrong, But how meny others do the same thing ? it will never stop as long as all the information that is required is easily available, parts for gas appliance's can be bought over the counter by anyone, the same as test equipment, you can even hire it! All the Merchants, DIY Stores , online shopping will all sell any Gas Appliance or spare part you need with no questions asked, So as long as this go's on DIY work on gas will not stop ! and people look at what they are spending and as long as they can save a £1. they will keep on doing it.
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Good points !
I have said similar things over the years.
Where money is involved, safety takes second place in some circumstances.
 
jtsplumbing said:
This go's back to my first reply ! Its in his house its his own personal property, who is going to stop him doing what he wants with it ? you can attach this argument to anything, take your car/van for example you tinker with the engine or whatever, something happens to you get prosecuted for NOT being competent because you haven't done a mechanics course, your reply I didn't know anyway its my car I can do what I want to it, I can buy the parts & tools so what's to stop me !!
You will never stop people tinkering around with there own goods its human nature, we have all done things at home etc. moved a switch/plug worked on the car, did we call in a sparks or a mechanic ? answer NO so maybe we are just as much to blame.
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That may be so but to tinker with your car or do some minor electrics or even major electrics is not illegal. You can do your own electrics even if it is notifiable work and pay the local authorities to inspect/test it and give you the building regs certificate. It is different for gas as it is illegal. Even if it is there own property or not. And that is the message we are trying to get across here.
I'm all for trying to save a few bob, and will encourage anyone to have a go and save money. It is one of the things this forum is all about, giving expert advice and tips to it's members to help them out. But never anything that is gas related to non GSR people. Yes you will, and always get the 'have a go hero' who is willing to break the law and possibly endanger the lives and property of the people and neighbours in the vicinity. It is up to us as the professional's, the government and Gas Safe to try and educate the public on these matters and get the message across. DO NOT MESS WITH GAS.
 
Darren this argument has been going on since Corgi started and is no further on now, Corgi, Gas safe have tried for years to stop the sale of gas products to the general public, but the government will not back it up due to pressure from the large manufactures and other outlets screaming its restrictive practise and it will make the gas industry a closed shop and prices will increase . So DIY gas repairs / installs will never stop, whether we give advise or not, in fact with all the information that is available on the internet more people are inclined to have a go than they were a few years back.
 
I'm wondering what he will progress tio next? Tinkering with your own home is one thing, but rental properties he owns is another Matter.

Jump to the sparks forum and take a view at his threads on there.....
 
Murdoch said:
I'm wondering what he will progress tio next? Tinkering with your own home is one thing, but rental properties he owns is another Matter.

Jump to the sparks forum and take a view at his threads on there...
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My trade is no secret, nor is the fact that I am also a landlord. I do not hide behind an alias. I stand by everything I say, if I am proven wrong I am happy to admit it as you will have seen in previous posts. I frequent forums to learn and help others. It is the job of my CPS assessor to determine my competence, similarly I am an accredited NLA Landlord, not just a paid up member. In my experience, those that invest in CPD, including forums are usually at the top of their game, cowboys seldom invest in CPD or visit forums. Therefore I respect and value the input from the majority of fellow forum members. However, my background has no relevance to this thread, your input to this thread along with many others I have witnessed seems to be one of self gratification by putting others down and moving off topic. You might be familiar with the term "Internet Trolling" if not I suggest you familiarise yourself.
Internet troll - Wikipedia

Back on topic I will respond shortly as previously advised.
 
WTF.

Bloke illegally messes with boiler.
Bloke brags about it.
Bloke gets shut down.

Bloke opens another thread asking for justification of closing of first thread.

FFS. Is the forum going to grow a pair and tell the Muppet to jog on.

It's quite simple.

He's not competent and It's therefore illegal.
 
SimonG said:
WTF.

Bloke illegally messes with boiler.
Bloke brags about it.
Bloke gets shut down.

Bloke opens another thread asking for justification of closing of first thread.

FFS. Is the forum going to grow a pair and tell the Muppet to jog on.

It's quite simple.

He's not competent and It's therefore illegal.
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? He accepts that he's in the wrong and worked illegally and he is in the wrong
 
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