fully qualified plumber in two weeks.

[jase158]

how many of you, (who got an apprenticeship and learnt over 4 years) take on apprentices?

 

[GQuigley67]

ive just started up but i will take on an apprentice cheap labour to be honest and you can teach him the way you work and to your standards

 

[jase158]

and pay his fees. And get insurance? And make sure you have all the safety gear for him?

 

[GQuigley67]

SNIPEF pays alot towards the training, and yes as it would be my duty like any employer who must supply ppe

note snipef is in scotland, dont know whos the equivelent in england

 

[jase158]

how about if they were over 25 and you had to pay for all the fees

 

[GQuigley67]

then no that is why i'd go for a 16 year old apprentice get most payed for via a grant...sadly the fast track thing doesnt look too good on a CV and that is why you'll struggle to get a start, its hard enough for qualified guys to get a job been in the game 20 year

 

[tamz]

Sorry Fuzzy, was watching a bit telly there.

The boiler is rated at 60000btu so you convert it to kw by dividing by 3414 = 17.58kw
As it is an old boiler, unless it states the output is net on the data plate, assume it is gross so divide 17.58 by 1.1 = 15.98 rounded up is 16kw.

If the cupboard (compartment) is vented direct from outside you base you vent sizes on the FULL input of the boiler
Vent sizes would be 16 x 5cm = 80cm² at high level and 16 x 10cm = 160cm² at low level

If however the compartment is vented to the kitchen and then to outside you need to calculate the compartment vent based on overall input which would be 16 x 10cm = 160cm² for high level and 16 x 20cm = 320cm² for low level.
You then need to calculate the combustion air requirement from outside so deduct 7kw from the 16kw for adventitious air = 9kw x 5cm = 45cm² needed

Easy innit. Try to remember that one as you will need it.

 

[Guest123]

I agree with Fuzzy. 10 weeks or 50 days training in this industry is a joke. A real apprenticeship is for 4 years and only in year 2 (or when your considered capable enough) can you actually do work.
There are too many of these fast track plumbers that have little practical on the job experience and they are taking away work from the rest of us who slogged our guts out for years to reach the standard we have now. No sympathy on the lack of your progress on the job front either. There's too many of you now and not enough work to go round so that's why you can't get a job. I for one will only take on a school leaver and give him a proper apprenticeship so that he has the correct training on and off the job.
Fast track? Says it all really.

 

[jase158]

Exactly this is what i am saying, Fast track is there to help people who went off the rails at 16, or were unable to do well in life. To turn their life around, Should we turn our backs on people because they did not decide what they wanted to do by the age of 16.

This goes a lot deeper then just this subject, the benefit system is the main problem, should you go to college when on benefits, you do not qualify for benefits as you are not looking for work. The system does not let people better them selves.

If they stopped paying alcaholics and druggies incapacity benefit, and put this money into helping train people then we would all be better off.

I understand that people have done 4 years to become fully qualified, But if plumbers will not take anybody over the age of 19 because of training fees, what are these people suppose to do?

 

[jase158]

I agree with Fuzzy. 10 weeks or 50 days training in this industry is a joke. A real apprenticeship is for 4 years and only in year 2 (or when your considered capable enough) can you actually do work.
There are too many of these fast track plumbers that have little practical on the job experience and they are taking away work from the rest of us who slogged our guts out for years to reach the standard we have now. No sympathy on the lack of your progress on the job front either. There's too many of you now and not enough work to go round so that's why you can't get a job. I for one will only take on a school leaver and give him a proper apprenticeship so that he has the correct training on and off the job.
Fast track? Says it all really.

So you are saying that i am not worthy of being a plumber?
Even though i learnt at college for 2 years and only did the NVQ fast track? but simply because i am over 19?