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The new proposed points system has been a hot topic over the past weeks. Especially relevant is what seems to be a total stop to allowing "unskilled" labour into the country.
The three relevant barriers to our industry are:
1. Basic ability to speak English
2. 25k a year job
3. A-level or equivalent qualification
Failing to meet two of the three above will prohibit the person to work in the UK.

To put it into perspective these are the official migrant labour (labour without UK passport) numbers from 2018

7% of workers in the construction industry in the UK are EU27 nationals and 3% are non-EU
In London, 28% of construction workers are EU27 nationals and 7% are non-EU nationals
41% of those working in construction were self-employed
33% of the resident non-UK nationals who work in construction occupations in the UK work in general labour

If this system is implemented it looks like it will be next to impossible to come over to UK to work as a labourer, or to come over and be self employed -since you have no sponsor AND can't show a contract with a 25k a year salary (we are talking about manual workers shere not artists or mathematicians)

I think this will cause a ripple effect, as shortage is going to be felt the keenest in London I can see existing migrants going to the capital to plug the shortage and take advantage of higher wages which London construction firms can afford thanks to the very prosperous housing market. I can see younger school leavers or apprentices dropping education and doing labouring if the rates are good enough (and it doesnt take much to beat apprentice plumber's wage). Also manual workers at large leaving domestic services and going into building sites for that same reason.

Ultimately with people potentially transfering from the domestic side of things, less youngsters willing to suffer the long apprenticeships, and fewer migrants coming in to do the dometic / self employed thing (when sites can offer wages and less emphasis on having good English) will we see the ressurection of the "minted plumber" stereotype from not so long ago? Or is this whole system a load of white wash with higher proportion of our migrants becoming "illegal" technically but for all intents and purposes nothing changing at all?

Thoughts?
 
Anybody can set up as a plumber there might be a shortage of gas engineers as the stats indicate few new ones training and the majority of fully experienced fitters are 50+ and intend to retire over the next decade having made their money. Some far sighted Uk wide outfits I know about are discreetly recruiting under 40s Centralheatking
 
Although not published and I've not seen and suggestion anywhere either yet, but I would think in all employment areas if there is seen to be a shortage, then for that ( or those) areas only there will be a temporary reduction in the entry criterior untill sufficient numbers are found.
 
There will be something popping up like the short courses there always is
 
Anybody can set up as a plumber there might be a shortage of gas engineers as the stats indicate few new ones training and the majority of fully experienced fitters are 50+ and intend to retire over the next decade having made their money. Some far sighted Uk wide outfits I know about are discreetly recruiting under 40s Centralheatking

Having recently gone through the pathway to gas training scheme the introduction of 2 weeks on a classroom, then having to do a portfolio then sit your ACS seems to have decimated the short course training market. The centre we used had 3 classrooms set up for teaching 15 - 20 people at a time. The 3 weeks we were there we were the only 3 guys in the place.Training has gone from £1500 to about £10’000 and taking a week to about 6 months.

It’s obviously hard to guess how many of the guys that were a butcher one Friday and gas safe registered by the next actually found employment in plumbing and heating.

This seems to be more of a threat than banning migrant labour earning less than £25k. There can’t be many qualified guys who wouldn’t pass that test surely?
 
Be prepared in just a few years to see a return of the tabloid headlines. "Plumbers earn more than your bank manager" and adverts for the short courses to go with it.

yep but I don’t think they’ve stopped saying that saw something last week / a couple ago plumber earns 220k a year and doesn’t work weekends was the title

in short he works for pims in london and does 3 days straight eg 24hours as he’s on call then back to 7-6 etc
 
Cant see the points system having any difference apart from stopping people without the requisite skills. Same as any other trade/profession.

If there is a perceived shortage then I would think they would have a system similar to Australia who have a trades/profession in needs list and fast track immigration applications for those candidates.
 
I know at least 3 plumbers with university degrees, though. Perhaps 99.999% is an exaggeration. Plus, surely the requirement would be for new immigrant plumbers not for those already living in the UK?
 
Unfortunately qualifications dont make a good plumber, likewise a lack of qualifications dont make a bad one.

Theres no qualification for being practical, think logically and have common sense. I think these three things will get you further than a bit of paper that confirms you have a good memory.
 

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