Why dont the goverment help?

[TGor]

Well not all fast trackers are cowboys,

I agree entirely .. as evidenced by some of the posts on here. So the comment wasn't aimed at you or them. Cowboys are those who have no training or qualication at all but present themselves to the public as "Plumbers" or any trade for that matter.

though I just want to earn a living and provide good service, but I know my limitations.

and good luck to you in that endeavour .. knowing how to expand your experience and thus your limitations is a firm basis to build on.

The point is that successive goverments despite many representations over the years will not do anything to regulate the trade and refuse to protect the public from such people .. its a disgrace!

 

[Plouasne]

Maybe slightly off-topic, but has anyone noticed that most the regulated "trades" are those that need or needed Latin to be part and parcel of the spoken and written language, Doctors, Lawyers, and to some extent Accountants, I once asked my aunt who was an old style hospital matron why the doctors and medical profession used a dead language to communicate in, she replied, it was because the doctors did not want the patients to know exactly what was wrong with them, because it might upset them.
Now turning this on its head, could it be that its the Lawyers, and to a lesser extent Doctors, who make up a good part of the government, want to keep this "closed shop" as it were, to keep the "riff-raff" in their place, and that is why they refuse to legislate to allow "common" plumbers, gas fitters, and electricians, the same status as them, in their eyes.

[I can see it now, cannot let them get above their station in life can we now, after all "they work with their hands", whereas we work with our heads]

 

[TGor]

Maybe slightly off-topic, but has anyone noticed that most the regulated "trades" are those that need or needed Latin to be part and parcel of the spoken and written language, Doctors, Lawyers, and to some extent Accountants, I once asked my aunt who was an old style hospital matron why the doctors and medical profession used a dead language to communicate in, she replied, it was because the doctors did not want the patients to know exactly what was wrong with them, because it might upset them.
Now turning this on its head, could it be that its the Lawyers, and to a lesser extent Doctors, who make up a good part of the government, want to keep this "closed shop" as it were, to keep the "riff-raff" in their place, and that is why they refuse to legislate to allow "common" plumbers, gas fitters, and electricians, the same status as them, in their eyes.

[I can see it now, cannot let them get above their station in life can we now, after all "they work with their hands", whereas we work with our heads]

I think its something like that but more to do with trust .. they prefer to develop a highly prescriptive regulatory framework (which as you point out in another post is contradictory) in preference to allowing the trade to become professional and control itself like doctors,lawyers and even surveyors do.

 

[dontknowitall]

Nil desperandum. Ipsa scientia potestas est.
Never despair. Knowledge itself is power.

**** plumba es optimus
Plumbers are the best.

 

[Winston]

Tell you what does help customer just been round to drop off a cheque for the work I did and has given me a £75 tip

Going to invest in my next new tool

 

[Plouasne]

I think its something like that but more to do with trust .. they prefer to develop a highly prescriptive regulatory framework (which as you point out in another post is contradictory) in preference to allowing the trade to become professional and control itself like doctors,lawyers and even surveyors do.

To be honest, they could not organise the proverbial in a brewery, they would be asking where the "ladies" were, they either gold plate the regs or make a complete mess of them, sorry if its considered off topic, but its the best way I can describe what has happened in the UK and how they can "bend" the regs or forget them, I have had experience of both sides of the channel, by being a meat wagon driver in France, and my brother being a butcher in west London

In France all animals have to be ear tagged, from birth, with details recorded in a "passport" this goes with the animal, to go with the animal to other farms, and then slaughterhouse, then especially with cow meat all the bits are marked with a bar code so that the meat can be traced right back to the animals home farm and mother, if there is a problem, in the UK, where my brother works, steaks come down from Scotland in boxes maybe steaks from 6 different cows, so how the hell can they trace back any problems

Now to get back on topic, something along these lines could be put in place for gas appliances, just a bar code scanned in when the product is sold on from maker, to wholesaler, to merchant, then when its sold to the client installer, the name and address is recorded, and sent via the internet to a central office, so that the entire chain could be traced, the installer could record the installation via the internet, as well, this is the way some of it is done in France, the installers have there log in number they down load the e-form, fill in the details and send it back, it should take no more time than reading this posting if not less

 

[Winston]

Makes sense to me I am afraid I still dont understand how any retail outlet can legitimatley sell items which say must be installed by a qualified gas engineer, in my eyes its madness.

You get questioned if your buying a solvent or buying a knife, but of course you can buy a hose for your gas cooker, and a thermal gas regulator or whatever you gas guys n girls need.

yer buy a boiler cheap as chips of flea bay its all bonkers. No son you dont look old enough for the fireworks! What do they think the oven is going to do