Most efficient boiler for a 4 bed house

[hammers4spanner]

I used to do alot of works for private custs but to be fair not enough money in it these days and to much of a rat race so sold my sole to domestic contracts and commercial industrial works .can earn more money and less grief

 

[lame plumber]

out of interest h4s you say u do 2 boiler installs a day or did i misread?

 

[hammers4spanner]

yes 2 a day

 

[lame plumber]

£300 each then, why not take 2 days for one and make £1200?

 

[hammers4spanner]

er no would on price and would make £300

 

[lame plumber]

er no would on price and would make £300

Not critisizing but flushing through, taking time, not killing yourself and charging a decent rate works for me, hence my price regime and the custards then call me back for repairs and servicing. dont do yourself down your worth more surely

 

[vern]

I don't work for tenants. I work for customers who I want to call me back in future, and i want their friends and family to call too. They might not remember what you said, but they'll remember that you said it, and that counts for a lot.

Bang on Tom, me as well, but H4S is in a different work sector where "usually" it's quantity over quality, H4S maybe doing top banana installs at 2 a day, but I know the ones I see are rushed, thrown in, no flush, benchmark would be the same figures if you went to their last 50 jobs etc, I just about do one a day but if gas upgrade flush, or condensate is tricky I let it run over to the next morning, all my work is mainly recommendation or from WB.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I class £66 per hour as decent rate and boiler changes is hardly killing yourself bread and butter imo , hence why i stated in an earlier post i dont do full heat installs thats killing yourself, or fitting stainless steal on ships can be back breaking .

 

[lame plumber]

I class £66 per hour as decent rate and boiler changes is hardly killing yourself bread and butter imo , hence why i stated in an earlier post i dont do full heat installs thats killing yourself, or fitting stainless steal on ships can be back breaking .

good rate but how can you fit 2 a day and comply with mfis flushing etc such that the boilers will work for a reasonable timescale. I presume that its for housing association etc

 

[TBServices]

Bang on Tom, me as well, but H4S is in a different work sector where "usually" it's quantity over quality, H4S maybe doing top banana installs at 2 a day, but I know the ones I see are rushed, thrown in, no flush, benchmark would be the same figures if you went to their last 50 jobs etc, I just about do one a day but if gas upgrade flush, or condensate is tricky I let it run over to the next morning, all my work is mainly recommendation or from WB.

I work to exactly the same time frame. Or if jobs far away I'll stay late.

 

[hammers4spanner]

yes for H/A i flush when im cleaning up finishing eterior condense testing smoke alarms etc , you kind of have two things going on at once plus get inspections etc ansd water samples not had one fail yet .Although am suspicious of these water samples as when doing full heat packs and spent more time flushing would get some that failed which i found odd

 

[lame plumber]

impressed with all that, but at 50 plus, I like to work slower now, still getting same take home so we can both be happy, bet you sleep better tho!

 

[Mike Jackson]

Never show a cust how to use a stst as i say to them do you phone currys to find out how to use your tv remote? no you dont so heres you instructions and familiarise yourself adios lol

So when you fill in the benchmark and sign that you have instructed the customer in how to use the boiler and controls you are lying. Or do you cross out that bit and put gave customer instruction manuals and effed off? Very poor customer service in my view.

 

[tyrrellclark]

I like viessmann best. I tried a few different boilers last yeah. Anything but baxi!

I'll second that, 4 years, average of 25 boilers a year, not one iota of a prob.
Viessmann every time.
Mini expansion built in, combined prv & condensate, primary exchanger-large waterways a fantastic design. On the heat only range pump over run not required.
I would like to try a intergas some time but while Viessmanns give such reliability don't want to rock the boat at the mo.
Been twice on training, thats the only time I've taken one apart.
Cut my teeth on vaillants done all courses since 87, can give 7 years warranty ecotec plus, but think my customers would be beter served by 5 year's with Viessmann.
WB not in the same league if you seen a few year's in servicing.

 

[tyrrellclark]

I like viessmann best. I tried a few different boilers last yeah. Anything but baxi!

I'll second that, 4 years, average of 25 boilers a year, not one iota of a prob.
Viessmann every time.
Mini expansion built in, combined prv & condensate, primary exchanger-large waterways a fantastic design. On the heat only range pump over run not required.
I would like to try a intergas some time but while Viessmanns give such reliability don't want to rock the boat at the mo.
Been twice on training, thats the only time I've taken one apart.
Cut my teeth on vaillants done all courses since 87, can give 7 years warranty ecotec plus, but think my customers would be beter served by 5 year's with Viessmann.
WB not in the same league if you seen a few year's in servicing.

 

[hammers4spanner]

So when you fill in the benchmark and sign that you have instructed the customer in how to use the boiler and controls you are lying. Or do you cross out that bit and put gave customer instruction manuals and effed off? Very poor customer service in my view.

Nope your wrong , i instruct them how to use boiler and operations of timeclock and inform them how it works etc etc but to familiarise themselves with instructions so they know how to set times etc , besides 98 % of h/a tennants say i wont bother using that only switch to on /off .
Nearly every house i turn up in scream at you been waiting for my 'FREE BOILER' for two weeks then the minute you start they ask how long you going to be .

On another note you state 'So when you fill in the benchmark and sign that you have instructed the customer in how to use the boiler and controls you are lying' Explain the thousands of that work on house bashing new builds where they are not even sold and yet the benchmark is filled out with exactly as you say , that appliaes to about 40,000 installers with that issue. Least i explain the workings of it and boiler controls albeit i dont programme it for them

 

[mfgs]

Some going that pal, I must be getting too old!.......

Either that or you just do a good, thorough, tidy job. In which case two boiler swaps in a day on your own is impossible.

 

[hammers4spanner]

nothing is impossible
i am not only one who does this boiler changes are a doddle if you do them all the time and are kitted out for it ,you lot make it sound like we are building a space rocket not a billy basic boiler change . i do agree with lame plumber tho that older you get the less interested you get in hard work and more time you wish to take , hence why i said in earlier post full heat installs have no interest for me these days

 

[JAH HEATING]

How long you taking on a swap, 4/5 hours ?

it takes yer half an hour getting yer tools out, putting them back..

some going, I couldn't be bothered with that 100mph - to be honest it seems like you're working flat out, rushing and rushing in this job can lead to mistakes in our game

 

[Mike Jackson]

2 combis in a day is feasible as long as the system is clean but as soon as you start whipping out balanced flue boilers you are losing a lot of time on the brick up and making good.

 

[anz]

You can do two boilers a day, but you can't do two boilers every day.

There's no way that your going to get easy straightforward swaps all the time, they don't come around very often.

 

[JAH HEATING]

You can do two boilers a day, but you can't do two boilers every day.

There's no way that your going to get easy straightforward swaps all the time, they don't come around very often.

thats 40 boilers a swap just for you ? nearly 500 a year ?

who are you doing this for ? thats alot of swaps for one person that

 

[anz]

thats 40 boilers a swap just for you ? nearly 500 a year ?

who are you doing this for ? thats alot of swaps for one person that

Woah!

I'm not doing two a day, I couldn't do two a day.

I'm just saying it might be possible if you get two really easy ones, i.e. clean system, gas sized right, replacing condensing, existing controls, minimal pipework.

But your never going to get easy ones like that all the time, so can't see how it can be done every day.

 

[JAH HEATING]

Woah!

I'm not doing two a day, I couldn't do two a day.

I'm just saying it might be possible if you get two really easy ones, i.e. clean system, gas sized right, replacing condensing, existing controls, minimal pipework.

But your never going to get easy ones like that all the time, so can't see how it can be done every day.

sorry, that wasn't meant for you !

I was just stating, could someone really do that amount of swaps ?

No chance, as you say, you'd be doing well if say you got a few straights swaps on the bounce

More than most need things updating, valves etc

 

[hammers4spanner]

2 combis in a day is feasible as long as the system is clean but as soon as you start whipping out balanced flue boilers you are losing a lot of time on the brick up and making good.

i agree on that as you dont get two booked in if you need half a dozen bricks and couple blocks for interior but still only takes couple hours extra in that scenario .

Its not all combis and not all straight swaps , some need condense runs , bigger gas pipes , flue extensions and control upgrades , in some cases pipes need completely re-routing .like i said if you got the kit and do them all the time then its easy peasy

 

[mebuild]

Im now looking as inter gas, is there a good size for that type of house? my thoughts bit bigger boiler less effort better economy?

 

[Howsie]

You're off the mark with that train of thought. A boiler should be sized in accordance with the design of the rest of the system.

Are you doing this yourself?

 

[Heating-eng]

yes 2 a day

very hard to believe that you are installing 2 boilers every day and installing them correctly.
Takes min of an hour to run F3 or the like around the system.
i also fit boilers every day and have done for the last 22 years.