How do I become Gas Safe trained and registered

[panamajack]

Can anyone give me a step by step guide on how to become gas safe registered, including what course to go on and how to register, please?

Thanks in advance.

 

[fuzzy]

The gas is part of the 6089 level 3. It is only if the candidate CANNOT get evidence that the appendix A form can be singed to waiver the need an not a simple case of if they choose not to give you the expereince. If that was the case i would take it up with C&G's.
You dont have an issue with the regs, thats good because its nothing we can control.
You have had experience with 1 employer it seems, why tie all with same brush?
What part of the Country are you talking about?
If you think we are all insecure fitters then so be it. We cannot change your opinion although i disagree totally. Shame you see the trade so negatively. You speak so lowly of all RGI's, i wouldnt take somebody on with such a low opinion of the trade, its often a case of low self esteem, trying to blame others

 

[JayK]

tbh mate with your stroppy attitude i cant see you getting anyone to take you on
no one owes you anything and the simple fact is you were sold the course and relied on getting one engineer to agree to take you on now i really dont see the rest of the gas engineers ganging up to block you that is totally paranoid
do like everyone else has had to do and get on with it lifes tough

Erm I am sorry if you think this is coming across stroppy, but the written language is all too aften taken this way, which I apologise for - but I do think you need to re-read the first post I made.

Fortunatley for me, I am not looking to get into the Gas side anymore, I have had to get on with it after my sequence of events.

The local plumbers actually placed pressure onto the company who was going to help me, not to follow through to fruition what was agreed with me - so you are not able to deny this, you were not there. With this - I am openly stating they were preventing me from getting through the gas side.

Also - how many people should I have had in the background to allow me to get my work signed off - I am intrigued to hear this - Is one not enough?

We do not need any qualifications to work as a plumber - as you will already most probably be aware - if I have been working int he industry for a period of 5 years, I am deemed to be a competant plumber who, I may add - can sign off Portfolio work for college.

I added comments to what I read about the original postees feedback, based on what I had to endure - as all to often we see the same advise given?

I am sorry if this is not how you see it - but obviously you have been treated fairly, which I can only state is a credit to who followed through with their commitment to you.

I think we need to agree to dissagree here - as I have differing views to you which are fine.

 

[fuzzy]

working a a plumber for 5 years means you can sign off plumbing work in a candidates port folio. You may be aware that this was brought it to improve the system on the previous NVQ which was any cleint or colleague could sign. They thought that this was open to curruption and tightned it up. Not becuase they see the plumber as an assessor of the work carried out, it is just a witness testomony saying the work has been carried out. It does not garauntee standard of work but that the work was carried out. The assessor does that job.

Did you say you agreed to all the local plumbers not letting you get the required evidnece? why would other get involved or even know you needed it, they would be looking after their own work wouldnt they? im surprised plumbers have all got together to pressure a single employer to make him not give you the evidence? sounds very odd, and you say you agreed? Did you contcat the awarding body? have you contacted summitskills?

 

[JayK]

The gas is part of the 6089 level 3. It is only if the candidate CANNOT get evidence that the appendix A form can be singed to waiver the need an not a simple case of if they choose not to give you the expereince. If that was the case i would take it up with C&G's.

They invoked this due to the inherrant obstacle I ended up with - why would I therefore take it up with City and Guilds - I do not understand what you mean here, as I feel they did nothing wrong - it was the person who was going to sign off my work?

You dont have an issue with the regs, thats good because its nothing we can control.

As said - no issues with regs, we all need them for obvious reasons.

You have had experience with 1 employer it seems, why tie all with same brush?

Not only one - there were quite a few involved in the pressurising side of this issue.

What part of the Country are you talking about?

East Midlands

If you think we are all insecure fitters then so be it. We cannot change your opinion although i disagree totally. Shame you see the trade so negatively. You speak so lowly of all RGI's, i wouldnt take somebody on with such a low opinion of the trade, its often a case of low self esteem, trying to blame others

Err, low self esteem? Now I am intrigued - I see two sides to this debate, and because I have had a bad experience - I suffer low self esteem.
I think if you turned this around - you may be nearer the point. I feel there is an inherrant underlying core of people who are and are willingly trying monopolise the trade.
Conversely - we could also spin this part around and say RGI's have low self esteem?

Maybee I was wrong to include everyone, to which I may stand corrected if I ever see a different side - but what I deal with around here is the way - as well as what a lot of my old college friends are facing.

But thank-you for my diagnosis.

Did you say you agreed to all the local plumbers not letting you get the required evidnece? why would other get involved or even know you needed it, they would be looking after their own work wouldnt they? im surprised plumbers have all got together to pressure a single employer to make him not give you the evidence? sounds very odd, and you say you agreed? Did you contcat the awarding body? have you contacted summitskills?

I am not sure I understand what you are referring to here, I did not say I agreed with the manner in which I ended up.
When it came to signing the work evidence portfolio - I was left high and dry, which therefore left me on a course with no way of getting work signed off - thus not able to complete the portfolio for the gas side.

He has openly admitted it, after I had a long conversation with him late one evening. Obviously I asked why - hence I know the reason for it.

I had to re think my options back then - so I moved into another area away from where I first wanted to go.
Also - I did not come into the trade as someone following the money train, as I know it is not as lucrative as what some would make you think.

I do not follow the question with the governing body / summit skills, they could not help against my situation, also it is a long time ago now and I have changed my direction away from becoming Gas compliant as it was a quest that would most probably never happen ( which from reading the comments on here is most probably all my fault).

 

[fuzzy]

Point 1 - you would take it up with the guilds because as i have said, the standards are you HAVE TO build gas evidence if you can. If your empoyer signed an appendix A form to say you couldnt when you could it defo is a guilds issue. Phone summitskills or C&G and tell them. If they couldnt give you the evidence then what they have done is correct and you have no argument.

Point 2 -Not just refering to regs but were the regs come from, the HSE, they say what is required. I am pointing out that RGI's may appear difficult but often they are only carring out te duties under the regs. Thats not their fault. You ma appreciate this already, not saying you are or are not but if you didnt realise i have informed you of these facts

Point 3 - Pressurising an employer, as I stated this is really odd, Ive never come across this in years. Most employers dont deal with other employers apprentices?? I cannot see why they would use their importent time in dealing with somebody elses trainee?

Point 4 - East Midlands, I have worked there in the past and didnt witness this behaviour, I may have been lucky?

Point 5 - I didnt say YOU had low self esteem but people i have experience of who have come across in this way and that has been in the past becuase they have low self esteem, it comes across as self pity, may not be how you feel or want to appear but this is how I would see it if adressed to me directly. You have jumped into a defensive reply, why would that be? You however have said all RGI's are insecure, therefore making an assumption and stating it as fact. IMO you are wrong but if you continue with this approach towards people on this forum who may be able to help you I doubt you will get much support or help, I dont think you will see it this way.
If RGI's wanted to monopolise the trade why would the trade have trained more in he last 5 years than had been trained in the previous 20? Your opinions dont add up with the figures
The courses are changing and this is in part due to complaints from candidates who have gone through similar courses to you, employers and clients. the changes are going to tighten up who can train nor make it easier.
The expeirence required for gas only changed about 3 years ago, before then experience didnt need to be proved, it wasnt RGI's that changed it.

New point - it is often the thoughts of new entrants that the existing tradesmen set the standards or implement them in their own way to manipulate them, i see it all the time, there are other factors affecting changes in standards, requirments, courses, qualificaitons etc, HSE, Goverment initiatives, awarding bodies, sector skills councils and governing bodies with a contract for ensuring the standards, such as CAPITA, BPEC and corgi.
Shame you have such a low opinion of your colleagues in the trade. As you say it will remain unless you see a different side. I cannot therefore help you see a different side by some simple responses to your issues. You dont seem to want to listen to anything other than someone giving you the signed evidence you require. This appears to anyone reading it as just a selfish and self centered. I have had several people PM me on here and have helped them with their issues. They have come on asking for help and not slagging off RGI's

 

[JayK]

Point 5 - I didnt say YOU had low self esteem but people i have experience of who have come across in this way. You have jumped into a defensive reply, why would that be? You however have said all RGI's are insecure, therefore making an assumption and stating it as fact. You ae wrong but if you continue with this attitude towards people on a forum who may be able to help you I doubt you will see it that way.

If RGI's wanted to monopolise the trade why wuld the trade have trained more in he last 5 years than had been trained in the previous 20
the courses are changing, the expeirence required for gas only changed about 3 years ago, before then experience didnt need to be proved, it wasnt RGI's that changed it.

Can i just clarify something here - Where have I asked for anyone to sign anything for me. I have long since required this, as i knew around these parts it would never happen - I added comments to the contrary of something that I read and I now realise I should not have done so, as it always gets turned around to the individual.

The defence is purely as there are comments on here that are implying I could basically not have had this happen - when I have been on the receiving end of it. If the wording has come across different to how I have intended it - I can only apologise for how it has been interpreted, but I have faced a side of this trade that is evident and always will be unless we all open up to it.

You are quick to put things into my wording or add comments to state is probably my own fault it happened - but on the contrary, you are not open to the fact that this may actually be happening.
We do not live an eutopian life - and as someone has already stated on this thread, sometimes if you need to use dirty tactics - then it is an option basically.

I do not use dirty tactics - nor would I, so before you condem me for having an opinion based on things that have transpired - look deeper into what I have actually written, then maybee it could actually show that this does go on, and is not just some peoples figment of their imagination.

Shame you have such a low opinion of your colleagues in the trade.

Be honest here if you can, would you be so different if you had met the same challenges - are you going to state you have never felt this way about anything.

You dont seem to want to listen to anything other than someone giving you the signed evidence you require. This appears to anyone reading it as just a selfish and self centered. i have had several people PM me on here and have helped them with their issues.

Can I ask you where I have asked to get assistance with this - I have not done so - nor would I come on here to do so. I feel you are holding onto this part that you feel I am after something - please, I am not asking for anything. Also - what am I supposed to be listening too - someone basically stating this does not happen because they have been fortunate.

You may well be a completely different caliber of person to whom would never have done this, to which I do not know.
But please do not try and pass this over in the premise that i am asking for someone to sign off a portfolio - as this is simply not true.

I accepted a long time ago, that the conditions of my qualifications would not fulfill where I wanted them to go. I have added a converse side to some comments posted - to which I feel is being twisted into me trying to get something out of it - why, I do not know.

I feel as said earlier - we will have to agree to dissagree. I have had past experience that you have not, so I can never expect you to understand what went on.

I am also sorry if you feel I was angling for something - this was never mentioned, neither would it have been.
The only part that I feel could have been reworded was the All part - but from my experiences, I hit a wall within the area I live.

Obviously this was also my fault too. There is a lot of hostility towards people coming into this trade, which is evident by some wording in one of the previous threads - but you choose only to see the trade side (which I have studied for and am part of) - but I also have had to endure the not so professional side along the way, so added the other side to the thread (which I wish I hadn't done now).

I will always be open - which is sometimes not the best route, but I will always show the full picture and not try to hide a part we do not like to open up to.

I feel I should bow out before this gets any worse. You have your opinion - and I have mine based on what I had to endure. I apologise if this does not meet your own views - and I will say that I have not added comments to try and gleen assistance for my own gain.
I foolishly made comments to state an opposite side following some comments made by another about wannabe £70k year plumbers, as I personally did not come into the trade for the money - but hit a wall.
I also added the wrong wording I feel - as it invoked the wrong side I was trying to show.

 

[fuzzy]

Ok I have totally lost the thread of this. I thought you were complaining over your situation and the fact that the employer would not sign or give you gas evidence you were entitled to? I dont see why it cannot be taken up with the awarding body. I dont quite understand what has gone on but this latest reply has not clarified anything for me. Maybe somebody else could respond and help clear things up for me.

 

[Backboiler]

Guys... I'm bored.... This thread began by someone asking for guidance. No-one here is being helpful

 

[Super Mario]

why is is everyone so desperate to be gas safe rather then just plumb (water)

 

[newbie1]

well tbh if sonmeone hasnt got the gumption to research for themselves the various methods of training in gas and how to get registered i doubt their ability to master the acs as the acs testing must rank as the most stressfull thing ive ever done
there seems to be a never ending amount of
how can i become threads
incase anyone is still unsure
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PLUMBERS OR GAS ENGINEERS
unless you have someone who is prepared to guide and nurture you in either trade you will struggle and for gods sake look on jobs plus and show me the job paying 70000 a year
stop paying out 5000 plus and expecting to be a competent anything you will be a novice and will never pay a mortgage
this may sound harsh but it is the real truth not what atraining center will tell you
and as for becoming gas safe registered secure the services of an engineer first or forgt it

 

[fuzzy]

well tbh if sonmeone hasnt got the gumption to research for themselves the various methods of training in gas and how to get registered i doubt their ability to master the acs as the acs testing must rank as the most stressfull thing ive ever done
there seems to be a never ending amount of
how can i become threads
incase anyone is still unsure
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PLUMBERS OR GAS ENGINEERS
unless you have someone who is prepared to guide and nurture you in either trade you will struggle and for gods sake look on jobs plus and show me the job paying 70000 a year
stop paying out 5000 plus and expecting to be a competent anything you will be a novice and will never pay a mortgage
this may sound harsh but it is the real truth not what atraining center will tell you


and as for becoming gas safe registered secure the services of an engineer first or forgt it

ditto the above.
Read anyone of the countless 'how do i become' threads for any further info

 

[oldplumber]

well tbh if sonmeone hasnt got the gumption to research for themselves the various methods of training in gas and how to get registered i doubt their ability to master the acs as the acs testing must rank as the most stressfull thing ive ever done
there seems to be a never ending amount of
how can i become threads
incase anyone is still unsure
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF PLUMBERS OR GAS ENGINEERS
unless you have someone who is prepared to guide and nurture you in either trade you will struggle and for gods sake look on jobs plus and show me the job paying 70000 a year
stop paying out 5000 plus and expecting to be a competent anything you will be a novice and will never pay a mortgage
this may sound harsh but it is the real truth not what atraining center will tell you
and as for becoming gas safe registered secure the services of an engineer first or forgt it

Agreed with all the above and with out shouting off my own brilliance I started out plumbing seriously 6 years back, did the college bit got the nvqs by being self employed and did the gas quals by bullying peple i know to help me. binn there seen it done it and NO Sympathy to people saying its hard how do I become a plumber/gas fitter ? Get off your backsides and help yourself, if a 50 year old git can do it why cant you lot out there, there is only one thing stopping you and thats your lack of commitment!!!!!!!!!

 

[okean]

Right.... I'm not going to shout off, or go on about how hard done by I've been.

Truth is that I've only been ACS qualified for the past 8 months, and I went the quick way through a fast track course.

I had work placement with 2 local gas engineers and through EON... I did at least 35hrs for 18 weeks.

I did my exams (which are not easy, but are logical if you work safe) and passed them all.

I asked Eon at the beginning if there would be job at the end for me and they said that they couldn't tell me.... but then the recession hit and they stopped setting on. I had no choice, I had to go self employed.... which was the best thing I could have done.

I waited for my ACS certificates to be delivered, then I contacted gas safe with my registration details, and paid my fees. Within a month I was on the register and able to work. in the first 3 months I had 2 inspections from gas safe, which I passed.

For all of the people out there who say there is no work, then I would challenge that... I have worked hard to get my name about, in both the press and through local mail drops. My van has been branded well and my stationary looks very professional.

I now get 50% of my work through repeat business and recommendations. There is work out there, you just have to be prepared to work hard to get it. I don't undercut, I just take jobs that many people won't touch, and often get other jobs from it.

I don't make a fortune, and would not recommend anyone just looking to make a quick buck - but I make enough to live on, pay my mortgage and go on holidays with.

I do this work because I enjoy it, not for the money. Yes it is competitive but, if you work hard marketing yourself there is plenty of work out there.

 

[fuzzy]

Hi Okean,

You have a good atitude. you challenge people saying theres no work. Not sure thats what people mean, theres always work for some but it doesnt jump at you as youve found out, youve worked for it. I have been asked before now 'if i get my TC2 6129 will it garauntee me a job?' Thats the view we are challenging.
Plus, anyone can get work if they are cheap enough, so people can forget the 70k a year. So all in all id say you are agreeing with us

 

[okean]

Yep I agree with you.

but, if people out there want to do this job as a career I wouldn't put people off - just inform them that it is hard and never plane sailing. Do the job because you love it, not because you want to retire in 10 years... because that won't happen.

When I've got more experiance i would welcome a placement student... afterall someone gave me an oportunity, its the least I could do for someone else.

All good fun