High efficiency gas fires

[dm65]

Just a quickie - can the high efficiency type of gas fire be fitted in a standard, lined chimney or do they have to attach direct to a vent through the wall ?

I will NOT be doing this myself, but want to rip out existing infill in my chimney breast and prepare for a new fire

Regards

Denis

 

[newcastle phill]

Can you specify exactly the make and model of the fire....

I suspect your referring to flueless ???
If thats the case...They are high efficiency on paper until you knock a gaping hole in your wall for neccasary ventilation purposes...

 

[bigads28]

High effciency and fire - two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence.

In all seriousness though, do you know the model of fire you'll be fitting?

 

[dm65]

Sorry, I don't know which fire yet but have recently exposed the brickwork on my chimney breast which has uncovered the original opening and lintel

Now (finally) decided to make it flat again instead of opening it up as originally intended and want to have one of those inset or 'hole in the wall' type of fires installed after I've rebuilt the face under the lintel

How many posts do you need before you can upload pictures ? It's always easier to understand and explain with a picture

Anyway, this then leads me to the million dollar question of what I can use with my existing flue which is a lined traditional chimney - I live in an old terraced house if that helps - so I can brick it up accordingly

And definitely not flueless, read some bad stuff about them last night

Regards

Denis

 

[newcastle phill]

Id seeek advice from a gas safe registered fire installer before you go changing or modifying the opening size or internal faces as you may have to make further changes if it doesnt meet regs after your work is done.

 

[dm65]

Understood Phil and I have been recommended one but I just need to redo what is essentially stacked bricks around the existing opening but also cater for the intended fire and think that the cap (is that the right word for it ?) needs to be higher up than it is now

Pictures !!!

 

[wetdrip]

Problem I see online is most are only pushing out 4.1kw.
If you're open plan or large lounge wouldn't think it's enough...rads on too:-(

 

[dm65]

Problem is see online is most are only pushing out 4.1kw.
If you're open plan or large lounge wouldn't think it's enough...rads on too:-(

Really, I assumed that was quite hot - I was contemplating electric at first !?!

 

[wetdrip]

Really, I assumed that was quite hot - I was contemplating electric at first !?!

Go online and find a calculator which will give you a rough estimate of the KW you'll need for size of room with various factors thrown in , like you level of insulation etc.
Something like this: Stoves Online - kilowatt calculator - sizing your stove

 

[dm65]

Thanks for the link - need only 2kw (small rooms) according to that but want MORE !!

Sorry :thinking:

The good news is I've just installed a 2kw radiator so should be warm this winter (bloody cold when I moved in Feb) with any fire but I fancy one of those inset jobs just hanging in the wall and no fireplace

 

[wetdrip]

Thanks for the link - need only 2kw (small rooms) according to that but want MORE !!

Sorry :thinking:

The good news is I've just installed a 2kw radiator so should be warm this winter (bloody cold when I moved in Feb) with any fire but I fancy one of those inset jobs just hanging in the wall and no fireplace[/QUOTE

A few mates have wall hangers and they reckon you'd be as well to hang a picture of one than the real thing...poor heat output, so they say.

You could try a flueless version of this...perhaps

http://www.fires2u.com/product/912/flavel-windsor-contemporary-he-high-efficiency-gas-fire.html

 

[Atouchofgas]

http://www.nu-flame.co.uk/Resources/Main-cat.pdf
I have fitted the convector ultra he ( glass fronted fire ) and the heat from them is genuinely quite remarkable. My cust has one in a living room 6m x 3m and says he's v happy with the heat from the fire

 

[dm65]

Thanks both

As aid, I am staying away from flueless - pointless anyway as I have a fully functional (hopefully) chimney

I have read that the glass fronted fires radiate better so perhaps that's the difference between experiences ?

Back in a bit, gonna install firefox as this site acts a bit weird in IE

 

[newcastle phill]

Sites fine....

Just the people who frequent here are tapped

 

[Ermintrude]

Baxi Bahamas! You will probably need the chimney lining with kopex.

 

[dm65]

Installed firefox to see if I could upload some damn pictures but can't do it in that either

I've twertled around a bit on the pooter so we'll see ....

A Baxi Bahama seems to be a boiler :confused5: - I know we've strayed from the original post a bit but come on

 

[dm65]

Just been looking at fires - this one looks like the chicken's on fire - Crystal Sunrise Petite Hole in the Wall Gas Fire - Fireplaces Are Us

 

[dm65]

Ok, here's a picture at last



What I want to do is take out the dodgy brick work below the lintel and build it back up again but leave a suitable opening for one of these hole in the wall fires - actual fire is proving difficult to find but they all need a hole right ?

You can hopefully see the existing liner which drops down to the existing opening behind the quality bit of regulation hardboard

Plumber dude coming to sort my tap is supposed to be gsr so I will be getting him to do something with the gas pipe (hopefully)

Hope that helps explain things

 

[dm65]

Ok, fires has been decided - it's gonna be one of these VERINE VERTEX SLIMLINE HOLE IN THE WALL GAS FIRE - GAS FIRES - Fires2u.com so any opinions/advice etc would be most welcome before the cash is splashed

And look what I found in my car after innocently walking out of a national tool vendor

 

[lame plumber]

I'd be somewhat careful knocking all that out, b all holding up that lintel in the first place, which is then supporting several tons of chimney above, one of the reasons for using a decent builder to do this sort of work

 

[dm65]

I'd be somewhat careful knocking all that out, b all holding up that lintel in the first place, which is then supporting several tons of chimney above, one of the reasons for using a decent builder to do this sort of work

Agreed

Drill will be used on the plaster/cement sides only. Infill coming out slowly by hand afterwards

Rebuild will be lintel bottom, eng brick with another lintel above the opening for the new fire

 

[wetdrip]

If you go for the brushed steel finish: go over the brushed steel with baby oil and wipe.
You'll never have those horrible finger print marks on the steel thereater.
Kitchen fitter showed me this trick.

 

[dm65]

If you go for the brushed steel finish: go over the brushed steel with baby oil and wipe.
You'll never have those horrible finger print marks on the steel thereater.
Kitchen fitter showed me this trick.

You can offer my plumber some baby oil if you want

Good tip though, thanks. I assume this is before first heat ?

I do know that gloves are supplied for handling the surround when fitting

 

[lame plumber]

not sure that will be so good on a hot surface after a while

 

[dm65]

isn't baby oil supposed to be good for cleaning stainless as well ?

 

[wetdrip]

You can offer my plumber some baby oil if you want

Good tip though, thanks. I assume this is before first heat ?

I do know that gloves are supplied for handling the surround when fitting

Yes, before use. They use it on oven doors etc, so should work for you.

 

[dm65]

Evening all

Here is the just gone 20 past 10 news

My liner doesn't work !

Good night

Seriously, after capping my gas, the plumber lit a smoke pellet and we didn't get any smoke out of the chimney

None inside either which is good I suppose, but I SWEAR I could smell the pellet in my attic if you can actually smell these things

Can anyone on here recommend anyone to do an inspection (I'm in Leeds) or does anyone on here do them ?

 

[dm65]

I'm glad Ermintrude likes this - shame its not enough to 'pop over' and sort me out (so to speak)

I've just arranged a sweep (until this morning, I didn't even know a liner needed sweeping !) for the 15th of October so will let you know if you're interested

Much cheaper than I thought as well, £45 for sweep, test and hopefully a certificate

 

[wetdrip]

I'm glad Ermintrude likes this - shame its not enough to 'pop over' and sort me out (so to speak)

I've just arranged a sweep (until this morning, I didn't even know a liner needed sweeping !) for the 15th of October so will let you know if you're interested

Much cheaper than I thought as well, £45 for sweep, test and hopefully a certificate

Baby oil and "Pop over and sort me out." on the same thread...heavens

 

[Millsy 82]

Is it still the original liner? It shoul be replaced if connecting it to a new appliance unless you can guarantee that it will last as long as the appliance it self which would involve removing and inspecting it but chances are it will unravel as your pulling it out.

And yes you can smell smoke pellets so I would say your liner has had it.

 

[dm65]

Is it still the original liner? It shoul be replaced if connecting it to a new appliance unless you can guarantee that it will last as long as the appliance it self which would involve removing and inspecting it but chances are it will unravel as your pulling it out.

And yes you can smell smoke pellets so I would say your liner has had it.

That sounds like sensible advice so I will investigate but I'm guessing this will cost slightly more than £45 :sad:

 

[Ermintrude]

Liners only have 10/15 year life span. So old bbu to fire = new liner.

 

[Millsy 82]

That sounds like sensible advice so I will investigate but I'm guessing this will cost slightly more than £45 :sad:

Probably but you can't put a price on being safe and my way of looking at it is if you are going to do something do it right first time.

 

[dm65]

Well woop de woop

Rather clean chimney sweep came round today and has pronounced this safe - we got plenty of smoke from his test (all in the right place)

Great, so can now rebuild that tat that somebody's mum calls infill and get the fire fitted

I reckon I'll be older by the time I get this fire lit