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anyone else see the report and pictures of the fatality caused by a problem with a horizontal flue on a 38kw ferroli he combi? problem caused by a badly fitting/damaged flue bend and not made good either absolutely tragic outcome killing the guy in residence and this was with a rgi cutting corners they found problems on most of his work i have always felt push fit flues are not addequete they need self tappers as well
 
if manufactureres instructions say tape the joint then you have to obey them as mi's over rule everything elsesome boilers come with see through tape which alows inspection of the joint
what i cant work out is why telescopic flues are allowed to have the join inside the wall when all joints a supposed to be accesable for inspection its normally these joints that come with opaque tape as no one will ever onspect it
 
yep thats the point am trying to make ste the plumber altho not very good ,lol i no about the mi,s
 
just wonder how someone can walk away from a boiler in that state also knowing theres a hole in the roof so ye lying in the bath and ye a gonner did ,he not check the flue or fga it
 
Contradiction against contradiction that is what you are going to find when the powers that be interfere to much ,which is what is happening,the basic regulations are being stretched this way and that.

We had/have a problem about flues with extensions falling apart,instead of going back to the manufacturers and saying 'come on lads ,sort it out,improve the quality of the joints,they say 'have inspection points for concealed flues',so when they do fall apart,we can see(if it is a rented property or boiler starts playing up and ever inspected),make the flues ,so they can not fall apart.

You say we follow manufacturers instructions,in fact we can not,I fitted a vaillent with a 3.5m rum straight to out side,I drilled and screwed up joints but still had to fit twice as many wall brackets as mi said to make sure secure to my humble standards,if I had fitted brackets as they said it would have bowed at the joints,joints would have held as screwed together but excess pressure put on them and would look very poor but how often have we seen flue like this

I have purchased plumage kits and had to purchase and mess about getting an extra wall bracket as the one or two supplied not enough
Volkers used to be very popular boilers in the eighties and early nineties,now you see very few,(although making a come back)the sales dropped dramatically,not because of the boiler,which are quite good but because they brought out a cheap plastic flue that was larger than all others and the top elbows feel apart,we the fitters changed boilers for safety not the manufacturers and ,then corgi organisation,they all sat back

If the gas regulators took gas safety seriously at source ie,with manufacturers in the design stages,a lot of regulations would not require up dating because unsafe situations would not arise as due to the manufacturer quality they would not be able to... ,end of
And the costs involved in improving products are pennies,if done at the manufacturing stages


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my sentiments exactly puddle,you only have to look at a modern vailent flue terrible quality,and this in my opinion should be the one part above criticism
 
We had a job where some scaffolding was to be put up, the flue from boiler in kitchen was in the way of where they wanted to put scaffold bars, so they pulled the flue out and put it on the floor. They didn't tell anyone and the boiler was on as normal overnight. Luckily I was there the next day and noticed it, customer didn't notice anything.
 
We had a job where some scaffolding was to be put up, the flue from boiler in kitchen was in the way of where they wanted to put scaffold bars, so they pulled the flue out and put it on the floor. They didn't tell anyone and the boiler was on as normal overnight. Luckily I was there the next day and noticed it, customer didn't notice anything.

immensely lucky there was not a fatality where the scaffolders brain dead
 
immensely lucky there was not a fatality where the scaffolders brain dead

In fairness, generally it's only those of us who've been trained with these boilers who appreciate how dangerous they are.

Sometimes things are taken a little too far; a little while back OFTEC brought out a magic piece of equipment (around £300) to test the fire valve. They also decreed it too dangerous to ask for a cup of tea so you could dip the fire valve phial into it to see if it triggered and was working. As someone pointed out, we're allowed to meddle with machines giving flames of over 400 degrees but not allowed to dip a piece of equipment into some hot water.
 
ye that happened to a mate of mine ,flue in the way of the scaffolding so they removed the terminal and never told anyone ,some bird decided to nest in there ,it never stayed long,so obviously it had been off a while same thing luckly someone spotted it and refused to pay for the scaffolding till it was fixed the flue was just there with no outer cover and a hole in the cavity
 
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I am constantly asked how important are the securing self tappers, when I report them missing on gas safety checks. Well I surpose we now have the answer. There are loads of installations out there that the fitters have chosen not to fit the flues in accorrdance with the manufacturer instructions. "I get told your just being picky" I just say, "Its on the report and down to you then", but at least it's reported. Is this NCS or AR though?
 
I am constantly asked how important are the securing self tappers, when I report them missing on gas safety checks. Well I surpose we now have the answer. There are loads of installations out there that the fitters have chosen not to fit the flues in accorrdance with the manufacturer instructions. "I get told your just being picky" I just say, "Its on the report and down to you then", but at least it's reported. Is this NCS or AR though?

good question
 
if you look at the design of a condenser flue regman(as i am sure you have) they could not come apart if self tappers were used strait through the air duct/outer part of the flue a simple but effective modification IMHO push-fit is not adequate,the HSE and GASSAFE need to address this issue but they wont on one fatality sadly
 
This is an area which is of great concern. It seems to be addresses as AR when hidden in voids with no inspection hatches, but when it comes straight off a flue turret and through a wall and the flue is cemented in; so no movement can occurr, then I would tend to treat it as NCS. Ideal situation is to carry a drill and screw on the safety checks and fix it during there and then.
 
personally for me i just double check everything ,i have a look round when am done,snaging so to speak ,check the flue before any covers are on ,also i dont cement ,i stick stuff in that you can get out like insulation or just a little spray foam,so if need be u can always check it,and if i have to buy extra brackets and its my cost so be it, least i can leave a job knowing its safe and i can sleep would never live with myself if owt happened .hate killing a spider

i thought anything flueing that could be dangerous is id,even if its ar its still dangerous and not switched on till fixed
 
personally for me i just double check everything ,i have a look round when am done,snaging so to speak ,check the flue before any covers are on ,also i dont cement ,i stick stuff in that you can get out like insulation or just a little spray foam,so if need be u can always check it,and if i have to buy extra brackets and its my cost so be it, least i can leave a job knowing its safe and i can sleep would never live with myself if owt happened .hate killing a spider

i thought anything flueing that could be dangerous is id,even if its ar its still dangerous and not switched on till fixed

this is the target phrase that makes my decision on what to classify it as, "could or may lead to " means AR, "Is failing" means ID
 
maybe my way of explaining things not clear ,lol yep agree with you kirkgas
 
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