Can I fit a pan connector from toilet to sani

[J murton]

Hi all

I’ve got a sani that is boxed in and can’t come forward anymore and the toilet can’t go back anymore due to the boxing in.

I have a 20mm gap approx between sani and pan. Could I use a pan connector to connect them both ?

Thanks

 

[Harvest Fields]

@rpm is your man mate. Do Sani do a longer version of their rubber collar rpm

 

[rpm]

Hi all

I’ve got a sani that is boxed in and can’t come forward anymore and the toilet can’t go back anymore due to the boxing in.

I have a 20mm gap approx between sani and pan. Could I use a pan connector to connect them both ?

Thanks

In theroy Yes.

 

[Harvest Fields]

In theroy Yes.

Rapid response there mate.

 

[rpm]

Rapid response there mate.

Doesn`t always happen.

 

[rpm]

@rpm is your man mate. Do Sani do a longer version of their rubber collar rpm

Nope, as with most rubbers One size fits all.

 

[WC1]

Sounds like it's all getting a bit tight back there. If you're doing work then please give due consideration to access to clear blockages in the sani. You'll be glad of it in the long-term.

 

[Burger]

I don’t see why not, but one of these might be better if it’s relatively straight.

Straight Telescopic WC Socket Extension

Straight Adjustable Length Rigid WC Connector

 

[Harvest Fields]

He is only 20mm short

 

[Burger]

He is only 20mm short

I know, but he hasn’t specified if it’s 20mm short with an existing pan connector attached. If it is then as these are adjustable (I’m assuming to cut down) then this might be an option?

 

[Harvest Fields]

Hi all

I have a 20mm gap approx between sani and pan. Could I use a pan connector to connect them both ?

Thanks

I would say that this means without, as he is asking if he can use one. If he already had one he would have cut it down or purchased a longer one. (That is only my interpretation of course)

 

[Burger]

I would say that this means without, as he is asking if he can use one. If he already had one he would have cut it down or purchased a longer one. (That is only my interpretation of course)

Probably does mean without one, in which case the smaller rigid connector might work better. I was thinking if I remember rightly that a rigid one would be better as the sani connection could be held in by a jubilee clip?

 

[rpm]

I don’t see why not, but one of these might be better if it’s relatively straight.

Straight Telescopic WC Socket Extension

Straight Adjustable Length Rigid WC Connector

Wouldn`t advise the second one.

 

[J murton]

So what I’ve got is the sani pan connector from the sani into a mcalpine pan connector onto the toilet. Which is not leaking but would rather just one piece

 

[Harvest Fields]

So what I’ve got is the sani pan connector from the sani into a mcalpine pan connector onto the toilet. Which is not leaking but would rather just one piece

I believe that you have to use the Sani pan connector even if you use an extension piece. @rpm over to you.

 

[rpm]

So what I’ve got is the RUBBER sani pan connector from the sani ON to a mcalpine pan connector (HELD WITH JUBILEE CLIP), onto the toilet. Which is not leaking but would rather just one piece

If what you have is what I have edited in capitals and you are not happy with it then you need to move either the pan or the sani.
Please note there is a maximum distance allowence between pan & pump.

 

[Welder]

He is only 20mm short

Know the feeling ...

 

[Harvest Fields]

Know the feeling .

Story of your life mate?

 

[Welder]

Story of your life mate?

I'm guessing you know it only too well Wayne

 

[J murton]

Next question is that the pump is not flushing away when I flush the toilet. It will only pump away when I switch it off and then turn it back on at Mains ?! Any idea

 

[Harvest Fields]

Is this a brand new pump?

 

[rpm]

Next question is that the pump is not flushing away when I flush the toilet. It will only pump away when I switch it off and then turn it back on at Mains ?! Any idea

Loads!
As above Brand new, brought off fleabay or elsewhere, how much did you pay for it, has it every worked properly, which model, what is connected to it, distance between pan outlet spigot and pump and finally is outlet vertical or horizontal piped and in what size pipe?

 

[J murton]

Loads!
As above Brand new, brought off fleabay or elsewhere, how much did you pay for it, has it every worked properly, which model, what is connected to it, distance between pan outlet spigot and pump and finally is outlet vertical or horizontal piped and in what size pipe?

Yes it’s a brand new pump that replaced the old one like for like.
The pump was purchased from screwfix and is a
TURBOFLUSH MACERATOR
550W 240V.

I used the same pipework that was already in place. It runs into a 40mm pipework into the wall.
I am going to check how far the run is as I know this model will only pump 3 meter vertical.

 

[rpm]

Ah the dreaded Turboflush! Now this is going to sound really daft but if the end of the wires had what looks like metal lugs on the end then cut them off, bare back the insulation, twist the bare wires (as you would when wiring a plug) and then rewire into the switched spur you have there.

 

[rpm]

Double post

 

[Harvest Fields]

Not heard the term bare back for years

 

[rpm]

Not heard the term bare back for years

Behave!

 

[Harvest Fields]

Behave!

Sorry mate. My mind wondered off then.

 

[J murton]

Ah the dreaded Turboflush! Now this is going to sound really daft but if the end of the wires had what looks like metal lugs on the end then cut them off, bare back the insulation, twist the bare wires (as you would when wiring a plug) and then rewire into the switched spur you have there.

Thanks for your replies!
Yes they did have metal lugs which I thought were to keep all the strands together clean. Could this be my issue then ? And was I meant to strip them I didn’t see anything in the booklet.
I have had to leave site to attend another job but will try this tomorrow or Monday

 

[rpm]

No you weren't told to strip the wires back and even though it makes no sense it can work.

Another possibility is that water is being syphoned out when the motor stops so water level is low which doesn't help.

When you go back flush the toilet and wait until the cistern refills then if it hasn't burst into life give the left hand side of the tank a gentle kick. If it starts then call the warranty guys in.

 

[J murton]

Appreciate it I will give it a go Thanks

 

[Riley]

No you weren't told to strip the wires back and even though it makes no sense it can work.

Another possibility is that water is being syphoned out when the motor stops so water level is low which doesn't help.

When you go back flush the toilet and wait until the cistern refills then if it hasn't burst into life give the left hand side of the tank a gentle kick. If it starts then call the warranty guys in.

That’s some awesome knowledge mate

 

[rpm]

That’s some awesome knowledge mate

Thank you, taken me long enough to learn it mind you.

 

[J murton]

I’m planning on visiting tomorrow so will update

 

[rpm]

I’m planning on visiting tomorrow so will update

Thanks for the photos they made life easier.
One thing though, the discharge elbow is rubber as is the Grey connecter you used to join it to the solvent weld pipe, did you use a short length of pipe inbetween, rubber on rubber isn`t a good joint.

 

[J murton]

Thanks for the photos they made life easier.
One thing though, the discharge elbow is rubber as is the Grey connecter you used to join it to the solvent weld pipe, did you use a short length of pipe inbetween, rubber on rubber isn`t a good joint.

Yes so the discharge elbow and grey coupling have a piece of 30mm pipe inside to ensure jubilee clips can be nice and tight.

 

[J murton]

Thanks for the photos they made life easier.
One thing though, the discharge elbow is rubber as is the Grey connecter you used to join it to the solvent weld pipe, did you use a short length of pipe inbetween, rubber on rubber isn`t a good joint.

Okay so I’m back and cut the wires and it’s all switched on. It doesn’t kick in when the basin is on ?! So can flud if the tap is left running but it’s kicking In when I flush it now

 

[J murton]

Thanks for the photos they made life easier.
One thing though, the discharge elbow is rubber as is the Grey connecter you used to join it to the solvent weld pipe, did you use a short length of pipe inbetween, rubber on rubber isn`t a good joint.

After more tests. I run the basin tap which is connected into lower outlet and the sani will not pump away. It starts to fill up the pan. If I then immediately after flush the toilet the sani does not pump away.

 

[rpm]

Flush
Wait 2 mins

If nothing
Gentle kick on left or gentle thump on top

Does it now work

 

[J murton]

Flush
Wait 2 mins

If nothing
Gentle kick on left or gentle thump on top

Does it now work

Nothing. It’s very temperamental. Seems to be workinh then not. Should it kick in when basin is in use ?

 

[rpm]

It should
Sounds like pressure switch misbehaving
Could be damaged in transit
Isolate all water
Call the warranty phone number

 

[J murton]

It should
Sounds like pressure switch misbehaving
Could be damaged in transit
Isolate all water
Call the warranty phone number

Appreciate all the help anyway. I’m going to return it and go back with a replacement Monday. Will let you know

 

[rpm]

Sticker on the side
Do not return
Call this number

But entirely up to you what you do

 

[J murton]

Sticker on the side
Do not return
Call this number

But entirely up to you what you do

Good news. Screwfix have sent a new pump and do not want the old one.

 

[rpm]

Bad news. You have to dispose of the old one in a responsible manner.

Put it on fleabay, used once, customer found it to be noisy, complete with unregistered warranty card, no returns, bargain at £55 + postage

 

[rpm]

Nothing optimistic about it harvest, fitted loads of customer supplied pumps from fleabay which don`t work, even had a 10yr old pump where customer had been told it was only 2yr old and had been hardly used! Robbing bar stewards out there.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Nothing optimistic about it harvest, fitted loads of customer supplied pumps from fleabay which don`t work, even had a 10yr old pump where customer had been told it was only 2yr old and had been hardly used! Robbing bar stewards out there.

The optimistic wasn’t about you mate. It was about EBay. Sold a 1 month old Bristan tap on eBay with a warranty card. They then decided they had a fault with it after 3 weeks. I explained they needed to go to Bristan. EBay automatically gave them a refund from my account without even talking to me. I hate EBay. The seller has no protection what so ever.

 

[rpm]

The optimistic wasn’t about you mate. It was about EBay. Sold a 1 month old Bristan tap on eBay with a warranty card. They then decided they had a fault with it after 3 weeks. I explained they needed to go to Bristan. EBay automatically gave them a refund from my account without even talking to me. I hate EBay. The seller has no protection what so ever.

Ah sorry, mis read that then.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The optimistic wasn’t about you mate. It was about EBay. Sold a 1 month old Bristan tap on eBay with a warranty card. They then decided they had a fault with it after 3 weeks. I explained they needed to go to Bristan. EBay automatically gave them a refund from my account without even talking to me. I hate EBay. The seller has no protection what so ever.

what tap?

 

[rpm]

what tap?

Why, did you buy it and then rob harvest?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Why, did you buy it and then rob harvest?

im not saying anything