Please help me with employer holding my wages

[Centralheatking]

Please keep us informed of your progress - Its important for other
fellas to track it in case it happens to them.

Anyway where are you living maybe we can help you -
We do Liverpool, West Lancashire, --its getting cold
we hope soon plenty of work up here PM ME

centralheatking

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

Please keep us informed of your progress - Its important for other
fellas to track it in case it happens to them.

Anyway where are you living maybe we can help you -
We do Liverpool, West Lancashire, --its getting cold
we hope soon plenty of work up here PM ME

centralheatking

Thank you centralheatking, i certainly will do that. I will post on here what happens. I live in London, i do have little supervising exp and exp managing 2 social housing reactive maintenance contracts so i am trying to get an office job with a main contractor maybe as an RLO.

Centralheatking being the king of heat could you please tell me if it is possible for a pipe to leak under heat if it would pass a 10 bar water test. In my 8 years exp i would say it is impossible. Soldiered joints, compression, fiber washers and push fit are the fittings that are used.

He is talking rubbish i know but i want to be able to quote real evidence he is talking crap in this letter which i will eventually present at court. Thanks

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

I've had fittings leak after heat testing them, I'll add that's not after testing at 10 bar!

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

I've had fittings leak after heat testing them, I'll add that's not after testing at 10 bar!

Water expands when it is heated, so this would rise the pressure. But if a 10 bar test exceeds the final pressure of the heated pipe it would not leak? Is that correct?

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Yes but then what about if it's just a fracture or pin hole in the solder and the flux keeps it water tight till the heat test?
im not saying that's the reason for it but I have had a weep after heat testing.

 

[Kay101]

Water expands when it is heated, so this would rise the pressure. But if a 10 bar test exceeds the final pressure of the heated pipe it would not leak? Is that correct?

10 bar is very high pressure
If its open vented it will not increase in pressure regardless of how hot it got
The highest I've known is 7 bar
5 bar is a reasonable test pressure

 

[Kay101]

Yes but then what about if it's just a fracture or pin hole in the solder and the flux keeps it water tight till the heat test?
im not saying that's the reason for it but I have had a weep after heat testing.

fair enough but its very rare, usually a pressure test will find a leak if its there

 

[EastLondonPlumb]

Yes but then what about if it's just a fracture or pin hole in the solder and the flux keeps it water tight till the heat test?
im not saying that's the reason for it but I have had a weep after heat testing.

Having seen what you all said helps thank you all. Regardless of the test, for him to withhold money due to these reasons he needs to have that in writing with my signature he cant just change the rules to suit himself.

I will write him a letter tonight and with regards to the heat test i will write something along the lines of.

'You told me you would not release payment until the water systems are fired up as to be heat tested, i offered you to test all the work to the 10 bar you use on site and you told me you would charge one days money to test 4 hiu units. I agreed to which you stated that you would also want to test eight second fixes on kitchen sinks which were incomplete due to lack of materials being drain off vales, iso valves and washing machine valves. To have that tested it needs to be completed and i can not be responsible for any fault with this work once someone else has worked on it. However it would have been possible to cap the second fix to test but you said it would take someone two days to test 4 hiu units and 8 second fixes on kitchen taps. I find that unreasonable as it took me under a hour to test the whole first fix on an entire floor of 4 flats. I agreed to let you charge me two days and go ahead and test it, not that i agree with being charged for testing as this is an actual stage of works which is needed to be completed and is a vital part of any work completed. I offered you and are still giving you the chance to test all work at 10 bar, non of the systems are unvented so heat expansion will not exceed 7 bar. With further regards to your heat test you did not have the correct equipment on site to perform a heat test nor was there any mention of any heat test, the standard practice was to test with a hand pressure test with air or water, water being the more commonly used.'

 

[lame plumber]

tribunals are for employment law and employees, not you though. Question is how much is actually owed to you, is it for materials or just labour, 1000s or 100s, time to think is it worth the hassle and walk away if its not, it will cost you more to take him to court and even if and when you win, he can pay a £1 a month if he has no money!

 

[deandive]

Id be knocking on his door...........but then again I am 6'4" and well built. Saving that take him to small claims court, it may stop him doing it to others in the future.