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What winds me up is the car wash places full of illegal immigrants taking cash... How comes they don't get mentioned and it's always our trade!!!
 
Not sure why I called him "Sir" ...


Dear Sir

I am writing to let you know that I earned (as a self employed plumber) about £8,000 last year.

I declared EVERY SINGLE PENNY that I earned and have had my accounts cleared by my accountant and await my tax bill.

Many customers, especially the rich, think it is fine to delay payment by a few weeks. This affects cashflow, and is frustrating if you’ve spent well over £1,000 buying materials for that customer. You cannot take the materials you’ve bought out of your customer’s house because the law does not allow you to do that.

I give cash discounts to my customers because that way I know I have the money and I don’t have to worry about whether I’ll be paid for a job or not. Is this morally wrong?

I don’t claim for a second house as I don’t have one but I do dream that one day we’ll be able to afford a new car. A holiday this year would have been great too but the recession has hit my trade and my family can’t afford to go away, especially as my wife has also been redundant for around eight months.

I’m not asking for pity – just don’t tar all of us with the same brush while your energies would be more productive by going for some of the richer people.
 
It is always plumbers who are made out to be the bad guys out of all the trades. Plus what is wrong with taking cash payment? Who is he to assume that everyone taking cash payment wont declare it, the expenses fiddling pillock.
 
they do it to divert attention from their own theivery

Exactly right.
Perhaps he could take a look at Boot Sale venues.
Pitch fees taken in cash, food outlets - cash.
All venues in my area charge 50ppp to get in, you guessed it, in cash.
 
Our local tip now charges to dump certin things £2.00 per item Cash only ! no recept given, How many MP are takeing Cash backhanders , still fiddleing expences, Useing offshore bank accounts to avoid Tax, what happens when they get found out, usely promoted to a better job as a Euro MP.

:hanged:
 
If I were a multi million pound banker or MP, I could ship the lot offshore.... Tax avoidance, at worst a slap on the wrist but probably sweet nothings, but genrally be able to "do the right thing and step down" if they even botherd to care or invesigate the matter...... along with my ridiculous pension/bonuses/astronmical wage and live the rest of my days with out a burden in the world.

For everyone else it's Fraud.

Point is not every body dealing in cash is trying to con HMRC, besides it's the people who make the rules, and the people who are supposed to look after the countires economic interests that have had by far the most damaging impact on this country anyway and as always working joe public have to suffer for their inadequacies and incompacies.
 
Funny how quiet GasSafe, OFTEC and CIPHE are on this issue.

Zilch on their websites.

Thought they were meant to represent their "members". Or are we just people to fill their wallets at any opportunity, preferably without any return?
 
Various politicians practice 'divide and rule' politics by playing off one sector of the public against another - no one is safe these days, doesn't matter if you're a doctor, nurse, HMRC, Customs, all civil Servants, Plumber, etc.

The other day there was talk of the trillions of £'s worth of tax avoided by off-shore schemes and the like, and it was suggested that the companies that run such schemes should be made to disclose names.

With so many multi-millionaires in the Government, I can't see that happening.

They have no scuples about focussing attention on others, be it single parents, the disabled, the unemployed, etc.

The really sad part about it is that so many people buy into it, having been brainwashed by the tabloid press.
 
all I can add is get stuffed to these MP folk who don't have to worry about getting either way
 
I take it this bloke has never been taken out for a 'free' meal, 'free' trip, 'free' round of golf etc etc etc But if he had it would be visible on his tax return?
 
Ah, he is such a moral bastion that he's breaking the National Minimum Wage legislation by hiring an unpaid 'volunteer':
W4MP Jobs
 
Better to pay in cash than to put it down as expenses and not pay anything
 
So is letting so many immegrants into the country its cripiling it

So many people who earn more on benefits than hard working people

The fact they tax us to death

There seems to be one rule for the rich and another for the "little people"

The fact they seem to be able to do what they want and get away with it

They get us to pay for all there privlages

And why is it always plumbers that get the flack, what about car washers car boots and any other cash deals you could think off


Rant over
 
what I find morally wrong is that,

"David Gauke claimed £10,248.32 in stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his second home in London."
 
its easier to attack and take from the poor than the rich. I wonder how many MP's and bankers have lost there homes during this recession compared to trades??

lets be honest the banks are corrupt, Many MP's were proven to be thieves and tax payers are paying for 250,000 plus people who should not be in the country. I think there are some more important issues to address than attacking hard working tradesmen.

But afterall its an MP talking crap because he thinks its a good sound bite and might make him more popular and famous. If he really wants to be reconised and more popular he should fix some of the more important problems this country has.
 
Dear Mr Pot , get yer own house in order before you start messing wi mine. Yours sincerely, Mr Kettle.

That is all!
 
Can we ask for payment in gold instead and then cash it in at one of dodgy cash buying shops???
 
I'm gonna have to write to this ... () sorry mr administrator I obviously mean twit!
every time a customer says is it ok to pay cash I say yes of course but the bill is still the same
 
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I'm gonna have to write to this tw*t () sorry mr administrator I obviously mean twit!
every time a customer says is it ok to pay cash I say yes of course but the bill is still the same
that is perfectly fine i think he is a twit as well
 
His morals can kiss the hairy side of my butt , mp's are the countries biggest crooks
 
ahem

[DLMURL="http://www.davidgauke.com/expenses/"]Expenses | David Gauke MP - Member of Parliament for South West Hertfordshire[/DLMURL]

£120-125k of expenses year on year!
 
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Are we all to answer to these mps that are so educated they dont know what an answer is,they continously answer with a load of nonsensical bilge
 
i hope he uses pimlico.

i always insist in cash and cheque is secondary. when i have finished the job then i want paying on the day i finished, not 8 days free credit waiting for cheque to clear. oh yeh! there doing away with those so cash only then.
seems to work with chip shop, corner shop, window cleaner, mp back handers so whats the problem?.
 
The problem is that people find it much harder to hand you a fistfull of notes than to sign a cheque or better still, put their PIN into your card machine.

I have a card machine and people pay big amounts without blinking. When they pay you with pound notes, they act like they're doing you some big favour....

I guess it hurts more to see the lobster coloured notes part company!! LOL.
 
Why don't we just stop killing each other? Make a pact around the world to resolve disagreements amicably over a pint or have a barny outside! That would save us a hefty wodge! Then the odd homer/back hander wouldn't be such an issue .. IMHO :)
 
If only it were that simple. I personally think humans are the best and the worst thing about the planet we share.

Some people are so kind, and thoughtful, and generous....it makes you glad to be alive and gives you faith in the human spirit.

Then you drive down the road and some wazza in an Audi cuts you up and flicks you the bird. :) That's life, that's people.

I have a saying, my mantra....Love many, trust few...always paddle your own canoe. Seems to be working out for me.
 
When computers run the whole operation, then there will be few get outs.

I might do a job for a neighbour and charge him a box of beer, how do you tax that?

I bartered with someone recently. I fixed their boiler, they sorted my garden. I dunno. I'm off to bed. Been drinking Johhny Walker Black label, now I feel like fighting the syetem.

I'll wake up in the morning and dock in like everyone else!!
 
We're easy targets, plumbers tax amnesty etc.

Vodafone was recently let off over £7bn worth of tax in a deal with HMRC.

But we are found to miss an invoice out or forget to declare a visit to the scrap man and we are criminals. Bunch of fools the lot of them
 
Funny how quiet GasSafe, OFTEC and CIPHE are on this issue.

Zilch on their websites.

Thought they were meant to represent their "members". Or are we just people to fill their wallets at any opportunity, preferably without any return?
Couldnt agree with you more. No-one wants to back us up!
 
We dont do cheques or credit/debit card payments for small jobs under £100 just lolly
we always give a printed reciept. UNLESS its a regular - usually one of our oldies
who must not keep cash at home.

Mind you some of our long standing customers have the bank numbers and just pay in when were done

centralheatking
 
sorry mr mp just paid sparky cash and my joiner 600 cash as i dont own a cheque book .perhaps i should pay him in green shied stamps or tescos vouchers next time as im sure no mp would try to defraud on their expenses sorry i mean tax,i dont give two hoots if thay declare it or not i got quote for job and i pays cash job done
 
how dare you!!

you make me sick, mr!.....

i have never met you before, you phone me up and demand i come straight away, i then do you a favour and call between jobs then only charge you £50 when it should of been £60 as i was passing by anyway.
you then have the audacity to then offer me cash for the work i did for you, cash??. i say your attitude stinks and i think your ethos towards my services that i have supplied for you are totally immoral sir.
why is it always the same with you people at the inland revenue who think you can insult hard working people like myself by paying in cash because you cant be rsed as it takes more effort to write a cheque????eh!.
dont ever call my number again you hear?......

on the other hand..my customer base is slowly growing just like the economy and the cockups of the coalition government !...
 
It would be okay if people where all treated equally. Perhaps people would not mind declaring everything they earned then. But when, the more you have seems to be the more you can get away with, those on less look at you and perhaps think "That's the way to do it!"
Its also possibly a ploy to divert attention from all the off shore tax avoidance schemes the big banks are offering and many big companies seem to be taking advantage of. A few years ago an investigation into "backhanders" by BA systems was stopped in the national interest. Seems if you do things on a big enough scale its okay.

And yes lets be honest the possibility that undeclared cash payments and income are probably rampant through out the economy. The only way we would find out is if everybody was forced to publicly declare all their income and have it published with all details of any bank accounts and all cash payments by anybody for anything of any kind over £5 recorded with a dated receipt.

I would imagine no chance of that, probably cost billions to check. Its simply a matter of "Are we prepared to be honest?" not "They do it why not me!" then putting in regulations to ensure people are honest as far as possible. The problem is a good accountant seems to get around anything. We should perhaps make it illegal to break the intent of the regulation rather than the written law of it. Somebody once asked a lawyer why the law was written in such a long rambling way. The lawyer said, we have to write it so nobody can say it is saying something else and try to get it to mean something else. I suppose he was saying "Tax avoidance" is quite legal but it is perhaps not what we meant to happen when we wrote the law.
 
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Would you not think cash payment is less prevalent now? Gone are the days of 90% of the workforce getting a little brown envelope every friday and now it's once a month into the bank.

It's all just smoke and mirrors, let's get people talking about something other than the real issues.
 
A Member of Parliament saying that cash payments are morally wrong is like the pot calling the kettle black. MP's have been taking immoral payments for years.
 
A Member of Parliament saying that cash payments are morally wrong is like the pot calling the kettle black. MP's have been taking immoral payments for years.

All this stuff from MPs about morals and finance is total claptrap - the market place has no morals!

They castigate city bankers in public and yet support the system to the hilt that bankers make their massive bonuses in.

The platform that these MPs stand on has a foundation of hypocrisy.

The idea of having a Labour Party was to have a political body that represents working people, but that got flushed down the pan due to self-interested individuals using the Party as a platform for their own selfish ends.

It would be naive to deny that some small businesses do trade and benefit from cash in hand transactions, but the reality in many cases is that if they didn't they wouldn't survive. Many of the same small businesses are likely to be missing out somewhere on reducing their tax liability because they can't afford to pay high-flying accountants as the mega rich do, so at the end of the day, it all probably balances out financially, and morally.

The people running this country don't have a clue with to regard to pulling the nation out of the current financial slump. All they can do is to play the blame-game, and they are getting desperate now because even they can see that people are getting fed-up with hearing that everything is the fault of the last government, and that unemployment is the fault of the people who are unemployed, and that the way to save the country is to destroy public services and to privatise the NHS.

It seems now that they have become so desperate that some of the tts think it's a good idea to start attacking small businesses!

You really couldn't make it up, could you!
 
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Who accepts cash nowadays?

Lets all take rubber cheques (the ones they were gonna phase out) - stupid comment by an idiot

Should we stop giving cash to the pizza delivery guy too?
 
Who accepts cash nowadays?

Lets all take rubber cheques (the ones they were gonna phase out) - stupid comment by an idiot

Should we stop giving cash to the pizza delivery guy too?

When the Government brings in the 'Fat Tax', they're going to want a slice of your pizza too!
 
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