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I am having an Ideal Logic 30 combi boiler fitted next week at a cost of £1100 fitted and it has a 7 year guarantee subject to annual servicing. I think the price is reasonable but can anybody tell me if I am doing the right thing. I can have a Vaillant eco tec 28 fitted for £1300 but the guarantee is only 2 years. I know ideal have not been too good in the past but have they now got it right with this boiler.
Many thanks in advance to all who give advice.
 
Ive fitted a few Logics and they seem like a good boiler, as far as reliability, the simple answer is we don't know for sure as they haven't been around long enough. I assume its the Logic+ model? The 7 year warranty is a good selling pint IMO. Personally I prefer Vaillants but the warranty on a pro is either 1 year or 3 years (if you use a Vaillant approved installer). Every warranty is dependent on annual servicing and as long as the installer has correctly installed it, flushed out the system etc.. then you should have problems with either.
The prices you have got are really good IMO.
 
I would beware of the annual servicing aspect - how much is this and what is covered. If the service costs
are low ok but it will also need parts - are they covered 7 years at £100 a pop !!!!!

You might end up in the cheap printer syndrome - cheap printer stuck with expensive ink.

The company are going to get their dosh back somehow. I would have the vaillant and
take out private cover. Always keep water in system treated as per instructions.
Vaillant = BMW ideal = Renault my opinion based on 35 years exp and friends in low places
at british gas servicing

centralheatking
 
Hi
Thanks for the reply. The guy who is fitting the boiler charges £50 for a service. As far as I am aware no parts are needed for a service. I assume its just a check up and clean. The boiler is being fitted into a rental property so the 7 year warranty seems suitable for me. I have a Vaillant in my own home and a couple of months ago it took the fitter about 20 minutes to do its first service.
 
gordonv101 said:
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As far as I am aware no parts are needed for a service
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This will be on top of that £50 as nobody will do service for that price with parts included, on the other hand, its a new boiler so fingers crossed that nothing will break for many years :smile:
 
£1100?! Jesus that's cheap. Is that with new roomstat or is he reusing the old?
 
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That includes the boiler flue and stand away kit cos the pipes have to go down the back of the boiler... Not sure about room stat.
Whats your opinion of the Ideal Logic 30 boiler.

Thanks
 
gordonv101 said:
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That includes the boiler flue and stand away kit cos the pipes have to go down the back of the boiler... Not sure about room stat.
Whats your opinion of the Ideal Logic 30 boiler.

Thanks
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it's a good boiler, but you need someone of sound mind to fit it,

if your installer's doing the job for £1100, he must be one brick short of a full load. :smile:
 
The logics a great boiler in my opinion. And the price is exceptional! Just make sure a roomstat is fitted or your old stat is reconnected. Oh and make sure you check his gas safe details for your own piece of mind.
 
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Thanks for that. Im reasonably confident about him being Gas Safe but Ill check and I will make sure about a room stat.
 
Hi Johnny plumb

I will ask him to go for a mental proficiency examination before he starts the job.
 
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centralheatking
 
This seems to be a £700 boiler so the fitting costs £400. The existing system can't be getting much of a clean or a magnaclean fitted. In a years time your boiler could be clogged up and the manufacturer might not be willing to honour the warranty. Just a thought.
 
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Ive fitted a few Logics and they seem like a good boiler, as far as reliability, the simple answer is we don't know for sure as they haven't been around long enough. I assume its the Logic+ model? The 7 year warranty is a good selling pint IMO. Personally I prefer Vaillants but the warranty on a pro is either 1 year or 3 years (if you use a Vaillant approved installer). Every warranty is dependent on annual servicing and as long as the installer has correctly installed it, flushed out the system etc.. then you should have problems with either.
The prices you have got are really good IMO.
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We're vaillant accredited and can give 5 years not 3.

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kay-jay said:
We're vaillant accredited and can give 5 years not 3.

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You can only get 5 on the premium 'plus' & 'exclusive' range, on the 'pro' its 3 years for accredited installers (1 to everyone else).
 
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Speak to your rep. We give 5's across the range

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Not really. Might be because we do a lot of em.

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Hi
The boiler I am having fitted is in a rental property in Salford but my daughter is in it so it has to be right.
I have a Vaillant eco tec pro 28 at my own home fitted about 15 months ago by a Vaillant accredited fitter with a 5 year warranty.
What is the best price for the same Vaillany with a 5 year warranty
 
Depends on a number of factors Gordon. We're just down the road from you so if you want you can pm me and we can pop round and take a look and quote for the work

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kay-jay said:
We're vaillant accredited and can give 5 years not 3.

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I'm Vaillant accredited too and apparently we can only offer 3 years on a Pro, 5 years on a Plus & Exclusive.
If this is not the case then someone at Vaillant is not telling the truth. Ill be pretty upset if they are offering different conditions to different companies. Regardless of how many you fit, you should be either accredited or not.

I know pricing & support varies with volume which is understandable but to vary warranty with volume is underhand imo.

UPDATED: IIRC They were doing 5 year warranties on the Pro models last year as a special offer, That's now finished but Ill be checking with the rep on Monday morning!
 
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We ring em through. Hello we want to register this boiler for 5yr warranty.....ok no problem what's the details etc

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Good to know Kay-Jay, Ill be dangling my rep by the danglies next week.. He's been denying that anyone can get better warranty or support than what we can give.
 
A certain company in Bolton get's 6 years warranty on all Vaillant Plus boilers
Kay-Jay will know who i mean
 
Just be careful with the logic that either the bypass radiator is correctly sized if your using TRVs all round, or the an auto bypass is fitted. Bit of a negative for fitting them as I can't see the reasoning behind it and there are loads of them about without (read the manual)

Unfortunately though it's a reason to void the 7 year warranty.

Personally, I think I would go for the logic even though I have an ecotec at home! Vaillants have lost a bit of their edge recently and a lot of the features you pay for are above and beyond what the average UK installation can make the most of. Being in warranty for 70% of its predicted lifespan is very valuable, not sure I could justify the additional cost of a Vaillant to my customers.

Stay away from Worcester and you'll be just fine :)
 
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As above the warranty wont be valid if the system is full of crud when it breaks down, is a magnetic filter included in the price, sludge remover, cleanser and inhibitor, that would be £160 from me alone.
 
This is an old thread, the boiler will probably be in the bin now because it wont have been cleaned at that price!
 
If this question is about the Ideal Logic boiler I opted for the Vaillant in the end... Fitted for £1300
 
1300 fitted! Good god. I'm glad im not having to compete with these prices anymore.
 
I would be interested to see a picture or two of the installation, or a copy of the quote if you would be willing to share.
Its sounds like you got a bargain
 
scott_d said:
I would be interested to see a picture or two of the installation, or a copy of the quote if you would be willing to share.
Its sounds like you got a bargain
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It amazes me the response from some of you gas fitters. If someone else is cheaper than them they are doing it to cheap.... scandalous... OMG... etc etc
This was for a rental property... I have to get the best deal.... I shop around and I haggle. From memory the boiler and bits were £900 ish so the fitter got £400 for a days work. Boiler out boiler in, plus whatever else is involved. The boiler was installed in a cupboard which had to be taken apart for access.
Most people dont earn £150 for a days work let alone £400.
In my book all you are doing is putting yourself to shame and giving away just how much profit you want from fitting a boiler... makes my blood boil let alone the water.
INCIDENTALLY... I live 40 miles away from this particular property and 12 months prior to this boiler I had another Vaillant fitted at my home address. Removal of TWO boilers, one for water and one for heating and new Vaillant installed in place of both... THE COST £1300.
 
It amazes me the response from some of you gas fitters. If someone else is cheaper than them they are doing it to cheap.... scandalous... OMG... etc etc
This was for a rental property... I have to get the best deal.... I shop around and I haggle. From memory the boiler and bits were £900 ish so the fitter got £400 for a days work. Boiler out boiler in, plus whatever else is involved. The boiler was installed in a cupboard which had to be taken apart for access.
Most people dont earn £150 for a days work let alone £400.
In my book all you are doing is putting yourself to shame and giving away just how much profit you want from fitting a boiler... makes my blood boil let alone the water.
INCIDENTALLY... I live 40 miles away from this particular property and 12 months prior to this boiler I had another Vaillant fitted at my home address. Removal of TWO boilers, one for water and one for heating and new Vaillant installed in place of both... THE COST £1300.
 
Unfortunately £400 labour charge for fitting a boiler is not all profit. Are you aware of the expense of running a small business?

You need to look at overheads - public liability insurance, vehicle costs, Gas safe registration, waste transfer licence. What about the cost of my tools, do you expect me to turn up and use a grands worth of combustion analyser out of the goodness of my heart, what about the drill and bits I'm wearing out fitting your boiler? My blow torch costs around £70 and I go through one a year due to the amount of use it gets. Steel toe cap boots at £80 a pair, last about a year.

How about holidays? As a self employed heating engineer when I take a holiday I don't earn any money so I have to make sure that I earn enough the rest of the time to cover the two weeks that I take off.

What about time spent estimating and paperwork? Surely I'm working when doing this so deserve to get paid for it, but no I don't get paid so this time has to be allowed for in my daily/hourly rate.

I get sick and tired of being accused of being money grabbing for wanting to charge a fair rate by someone who works 9-5 5 days a week and has 5 weeks holiday a year. When was the last time you were out at 7 in the morning clearing the back of your van out because you got home too late the night before to clear it out?
 
Your rantings dont wash with me... I have been self employed for 31 years so I know all about the costs of running a business. The first 6 years of being self employed I used to work seven days a week and loved every minute of it.
In my dealings with different tradesman with my properties they will gladly work for £100 to 160 a day depending on the trade and that is paid by cheque.
What about a car mechanic... He has to have a grands worth of tools which he has to buy himself and anybody similar who need boots has to buy there own. He Doesnt charge anybody else for them. He pays for them out of his salary which if pushed might be £100 a day.
On Friday I will be out at 6.30 am to drive a round trip of 250 miles in a car paid for by myself and likewise fuel in the tank.
Your only argument that I agree with is the holidays but I have been in that boat for 31 years so that dont wash with me either.
 
You have well and truly rattled Mikes cage there, I tend to agree with Mike though, the £400 'earnings' will have materials coming out of that, unless the installer has his own copper mine.

magnetic filters, waste pipe, earth bonding strips, glue, flux, solder, screws, clips, cement, gas, plus all the business overheads mentioned would at least half them 'earnings' if not more.

If I was a landlord myself, I would tend to want to keep expenses low so I could make a profit, but being 31 years self employed I would have thought you would have known better with regard to somebody charging what thier skills are worth. A mechanic of any decent standard is worth more than 100 a day, that's obvious.

For the training plumbers and heating engineers have to do, the work they put in, the things they have to carry, if you think 100 a day is ok I think you are living in fantasy land.
 
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Your rantings dont wash with me... I have been self employed for 31 years so I know all about the costs of running a business. The first 6 years of being self employed I used to work seven days a week and loved every minute of it.
In my dealings with different tradesman with my properties they will gladly work for £100 to 160 a day depending on the trade and that is paid by cheque.
What about a car mechanic... He has to have a grands worth of tools which he has to buy himself and anybody similar who need boots has to buy there own. He Doesnt charge anybody else for them. He pays for them out of his salary which if pushed might be £100 a day.
On Friday I will be out at 6.30 am to drive a round trip of 250 miles in a car paid for by myself and likewise fuel in the tank.
Your only argument that I agree with is the holidays but I have been in that boat for 31 years so that dont wash with me either.
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£100 a day for this job SE??? Are you drunk?

i could get £120/£130 a day on the cards if I wanted, why would I like all the extra hassle that being SE brings for less than I could get working for someone else.

Even at your more realist £160 a day you're still pushing it.

I know what I'm worth, I know what I can get and I'm happy with what I earn.

I would however cry myself to sleep at night if I was earning £100 a day
 
gordonv101 said:
I live 40 miles away from this particular property and 12 months prior to this boiler I had another Vaillant fitted at my home address. Removal of TWO boilers, one for water and one for heating and new Vaillant installed in place of both... THE COST £1300.
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I bet you a fiver this boiler isn't to regs :)
 
£1300 was a steal... I would have fitted one for this when I was more naive. But if your engineer is giving everybody this kind of rate, he won't be earning any kind of living.... Must be desperate and just 'getting by'. The cost of being a self employed engineer are truly horrific if you do everything by the book
 
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