Gas Fires

[smtplumbing]

All right guys, I have been kicking my heals in the sand and not fitting them but i have had a few come in for the next few weeks. Long Long time i have not installed them i have my gas fires on my gas card which is not hassle at all.

So one fire is a baxi BBU replaced with a fire, customer wants to fit a new living flame fire after the bbu unit is removed the old boiler has a stainless flue am i able to re use and how do i go about fixing the flue to the fire,(fluebox?) The fire the customer is looking at is a living flame which has a letter box exit at the back, Do i use a flue box or seal off the area round the flue so the stainless liner is only showing.

Or a totally new install would you put a new stainless liner down or just get the chimney swept.

Also Women in my street has bought a house which a new stainless liner put down before she bought the house but how ever installed it just cut fire board round the 5" flue and you can still get you hand up the side of the fire board no glass wool etc what is the best way to do a correct install

Thanks guys any help would be great full

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

you cannot use a existing liner any liner must have a working life of 15 years a old one wont they often go porous and pin hole at the top and dont believe anyone who says there's been a new one fitted,you have to bolt a fire on to it,you have to guarantee its integrity,you take responsibility for it ,the best way to fit a liner(if its needed) is either using a fluebox if its a outset(be careful here not all will fit the box) or if its a inset building your own brick chamber out of site using the type of canopy bes sell and cementing it to the brickwork

 

[Nostrum]

In the first instance I would whip the liner out and get the chimney swept. Flue flow and crack on.

On the second, I can't quite picture what you mean, have they made a register plate out of fire board but not sealed it on the edges?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

this type of canopy

Debris Plate

To be used within the chimney above the appliance to prevent debris falling onto the appliance. 610 mm x 450 mm. Part No. Description Unit Price Qty 10804 Debris plate £15.53

 

[tamz]

I'd pull it out and test the chimney before doing anything else. It may not need lined.

 

[smtplumbing]

Gas Man :- i would rip an old one out no hassle (well my roofer would lol) I defo know there has been a new liner put down the chimney at the womens house long the road as the neighbours said they had to gain access to there own roof and put the cone was still on the liner. Her fire she has bought spigot restriction i have include what she has sent me

Norstum looks ruff as france lol they have jammed fire board round the 5" liner to try seal the chimney breast.

Gas Man can you use the canoy instead of a flue box,

Tamz would not get it swept just in case ( one fire was used for burning wood before a joiners house lol)

 

[tamz]

Tamz would not get it swept just in case ( one fire was used for burning wood before a joiners house lol)

You should.

 

[smtplumbing]

you no any chimney sweeps,

Ps thanks for the stuff on friday had Worcester out today at the boiler had knacked diverter, the boy said what a good job i did of the flue with all the clamps.

 

[tamz]

Aye but he has retired!

Canny beat a good clamp :lol:

 

[Ermintrude]

Seal up the bottom of stack with hardboard and prs10. Get on roof ( as you need to be up there to remove liner) using a £29 drainrod and brush hammer the hell out of stack. Every time you add a rod give it 3 up and downs , telly clean stack. Wen done wait 20 mins remove board and simply shovel away soot. Liners are a ball ache. If u can simply fit LFE to opening. You will need a pot on top with a bird cage as the existing cheese grater won't do.

 

[smtplumbing]

you fit many fires ermintrude

 

[Ermintrude]

Odd one , normally fixing issues of spillage or bbu jobs. Cleaned many flues. Modified and fitted chimney inc gatherer to fit stupid inset thing 900mm up wall in place of bbu.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

G
Gas Man can you use the canoy instead of a flue box,

yes but only on a liner set up,you rarely need a liner unless the flues totally shot

 

[AWheating]

you will prob need to knock out and brick up after the bbu has been removed, if theres a surround to fit i tend to try and leave it for a builder and just fit the fire.

Unless you have swept one before then get a sweep in, by the time you have got some rods and wrecked a hoover you will wish you had not tried . A good sweep will test the chimney and even camera it if theres any problems.

 

[smtplumbing]

gas man do you still use fire glass wool above the canopy also how do you seal the sides of the canopy at the brick?

I called a few boys today so i just get them to do it feck me doing that lol awheating they said that they will test it

 

[Ermintrude]

Turn it down at bricks. Fire silicone and screws at 75mm centers.

 

[Reg Man]

First read the manufacturer instructions for your flue options. If it does require lining, its likely to be a minimum 125mm dia flue. I would always try to use a fire box as well.