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What really bugs me about these stores are that not only do they sell fires and boilers,they sell them incomplete,you see hobs with control knob or burner top missing fires with opened boxes with god knows what missing ect ,they are not removed from shelves but discounted due to missing parts,I have pointed this out sometimes,how dangerous these appliances can be, never mind with bits missing and item is often removed,then next day,there it is again,no doubt after they have checked their profit and loss which it seems is always more important than any safety issues that may arise
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Bernie2
Hmm!
Same old thing, you can buy any kind of knife you like if your over about 16. No harm in that It depends what you do with it afterwards that can be harmful.
Anyone should be able to buy gas fittings anywhere, it is what they do with them that makes the difference. Its a bit like buying Aspirins in a chemist. Should they only be supplied to health professionals? Take enough of many of the medicines on sale in chemists and you can kill yourself and other people just as easily as blowing yourself up or poisoning people with gas.
Anyway if people want to do their own gas fitting they probably will regardless of the law, its illegal to speed but how many do?
Its the people you need to teach about the dangers not ban or restrict gas material sales.
Same old thing, you can buy any kind of knife you like if your over about 16. No harm in that It depends what you do with it afterwards that can be harmful.
Anyone should be able to buy gas fittings anywhere, it is what they do with them that makes the difference. Its a bit like buying Aspirins in a chemist. Should they only be supplied to health professionals? Take enough of many of the medicines on sale in chemists and you can kill yourself and other people just as easily as blowing yourself up or poisoning people with gas.
Anyway if people want to do their own gas fitting they probably will regardless of the law, its illegal to speed but how many do?
Its the people you need to teach about the dangers not ban or restrict gas material sales.
totaly agree, the government banned people from having registered hand guns in this country, hand guns dont kill people, people kill people and since the ban there are more illegal unregistered hand guns on the street.
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eco_mark
Totally disagree, and your analogies are wrong! Aspirin are not a controlled substance, but something like clinical grade heroin is. Can anyone walk into a chemists and buy that heroin? No. The reason is that it needs to be prescribed by a competent person.
If gas works can only be done by a competent person, and there are regulations in place to define what a competent person is, then there's no reason a non-competent person should be able to buy those things. It's not just about protecting people from themselves (the DIY'er who might think they can install their own gas boiler) but also unsuspecting people from dodgy cowboys.
The problem I see is that the definition of competent is open to interpretation in court and isn't as simple as 'is on the gas safe register'. If it was that simple then anyone not on the register shouldn't have a need to buy those things.
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but there are situations when registration or even ACS is not required so how could it be controlled? Factory work is exempt for example, you can work on gas if competent, how do you check for competence as a shop owner? for example a family friend of mine worked in gas for 50 years, he taught at Bg and helped set up acops and ACS, his acs is out of date, is he competent?
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eco_mark
I totally agree, which is why my last sentence was:
I think it should be controlled, and limited to competent people. But how you define a competent person though needs to be more than 'paid for a test this year'. As for how that could be enforced, no idea.
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Bernie2
Aspirin can kill its a mistake to think it can't, Heroin is class A but not addictive funnily enough.
Are we to see electrical Kitchen appliance sales restricted to Part P sparks only?
Competence has not been tested that it is true, but I doubt any court would say an ex Gas fitter was incompetent.
If people are educated to the proper use of gas they probably will not DIY unless competent in their own homes.
Lets be honest you do not get many people wanting to fly aeroplanes without training they know its dangerous.
Are we to see electrical Kitchen appliance sales restricted to Part P sparks only?
Competence has not been tested that it is true, but I doubt any court would say an ex Gas fitter was incompetent.
If people are educated to the proper use of gas they probably will not DIY unless competent in their own homes.
Lets be honest you do not get many people wanting to fly aeroplanes without training they know its dangerous.
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please explain
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There's a commonly held belief that pure heroin isn't addictive, and it is only once it hits the streets and has other stuff mixed in that it becomes nasty. This isn't true but heroin isn't the 'one hit and you're hooked' kind of drug it is often made out to be.
I think this belief lives in the same place as the belief that a duck's quack doesn't have an echo
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I don't believe for one second that after one fix your addicted, but to say that heroin is not addictive when it clearly is, is misleading. It is said that nicotine is more addictive than heroin, but if you know any smack heads then you would know that they are addicted and go to extremes to get their next fix
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Bernie2
Hmm!
The information that it is none addictive came from a television program that interviewed medical people and it was they said it was not addictive not me. Of course if we have any doctors reading the mails we may get a better view. Apparently the addiction is the risk involved in the life style of Heroine use, not the drug itself, I suppose you could say they where an "Adrenalin junky" not a Heroin addict. But being an ordinary man it seems to be all the same to me.
The information that it is none addictive came from a television program that interviewed medical people and it was they said it was not addictive not me. Of course if we have any doctors reading the mails we may get a better view. Apparently the addiction is the risk involved in the life style of Heroine use, not the drug itself, I suppose you could say they where an "Adrenalin junky" not a Heroin addict. But being an ordinary man it seems to be all the same to me.
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