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Wether or not he is doing it in 3 hours, this price is crazy! He can't be cleaning the system. He wont afford a bottle of anti-freeze inhibitor. He must be laying on the extras once he's in. Advert text should probably read "prices starting from £800. With that profit, he's going to have a wee shock when the Gas course's come back around. Ouch!!
 
just noticed in the ad that it says they are corgi registered engineers and there is a gas safe logo covering all angles i suppose.
 
kirkgas said:
if the property meets the exemption criteria for needing a HE boiler it is possible to fit an SE boiler in a swap over in 3-4 hrs so if you can buy a boiler for £400 odd, then yes it can, or if an HE is already in then how long would it take to sway a boiler for an exact same model? we used to do warranty work for various manufacturers and got 3.5hrs labour to change a boiler, ok you use the old flue hole and existing jig so again yes it can, obviously anything else needed gets more cash, how you do you sales pitch is up to you, this is how they do theirs, from the landline they must be in Bellshill area a few miles from me but i dont know them, nice free advert you are giving them by leaving the phone number in!!!!!!!!!!!!
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just realised this, must delete part of phone numbers can't be giving free advert to the competition.
 
Halesowen1 said:
£800 minus 20% tax etc. Leaves him £640, it is impossible to be doing for that. So it must be a con, either they are not Worcester or Vokera or price is wrong.
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you take the 400 for the boiler off the 800 and get taxed at 20% of 400(less any other deductables he can claim) which leaves him what ever, if its enough for him, with some extras then fair play to him
 
Length of each pipe £20, few fittings £5, filling loop £7, Inhibitor £15, Condense £10. Cheapest Vokera £600 with flue. Leaves £143 minus 20% = £115. Thats no programmer and no logging the boiler on Gas Safe.
Cannot see it being done cheaper.
 
dont forget cleaner 10-15 squid and min 2hours in the system before flushing NOT!
 
No inhibitor or cleanser. Pipes in the same order (west of scotland is vokera land so probably same everything, lift off on) at most half a dozen elbows and unions (£3) a couple of cuttings of pipe out the scrap bag (0.5kg ..£2). 3m of 3/4" overflow, 4 elbows an inch and half tee and a reducer to 3/4" ...£6 so £11 -15 tops for materials
Band B Vokera (still sold and legal up here) £510 leaves £265 minus 20% = £212.
Not a lot but beats sitting in the house watching Jeremy Kyle!

I don't agree with the pricing but if you are a one man band forced into working for yourself because there are no jobs about, then the money is better than what you are used to. Customer service will be bad to non existent.
People get what they pay for and the service and quality of work to suit but there are a helluva lot of people counting the coppers these days.

The good times are over for heating and they will never come back regardless of BG and the like still charging £3k for the same thing.
Most people know they are getting ripped off from them but they still choose to go there because they will always answer the phone and be there straight away if anything goes wrong.
The independent guy has to be very good and well recommended to get in with a shout with a decent price or be signed up as a credit broker :wink:
 
Maybe the boilers are HOT, not hot to the touch just HOT that they need to be shifted, if you know what i mean.
 
johnnyplumb said:
Maybe the boilers are HOT, not hot to the touch just HOT that they need to be shifted, if you know what i mean.
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guys i am by no means the cowboys PR guy, but some of you aint listening, SE vokeras are available with a flue and clock over the counter for under £500 up here, and you can buy as many as you want, its all well and good, and having the customer base to only do full upgrades with vailliant/viessmann etc etc but some cant or wont pay £2500+ when their boiler breaks 4 weeks before santa comes
 
If thats how they wanna go about it then good on them, not my idea of running a company but if it works for them, fair play.
 
as an aside to £800 for a combi swap, heres a question to those who dont mind answering it,

how much to fit a new combi?
there is a combi in, ground floor, good access, house is near you so no real travel issue (to balance out different area probs that you have parking etc), next to a sink for condensate pipe connection, no gas upgrade required, just a basic price and one of theose jobs where you see it say "ya dancer this will be easy peasy", "i need it done as cheap as you can mate i'm skint" minimal usual pipework alterations between worktop and boiler,
 
as an aside to £800 for a combi swap, heres a question to those who dont mind answering it,

how much to fit a new combi?
there is a combi in, ground floor, good access, house is near you so no real travel issue (to balance out different area probs that you have parking etc), next to a sink for condensate pipe connection, no gas upgrade required, just a basic price and one of theose jobs where you see it say "ya dancer this will be easy peasy", "i need it done as cheap as you can mate i'm skint (dont care what goes in)" minimal usual pipework alterations between worktop and boiler,
 
£800 and you go in my phone as dont answer :lol:

Probably around a grand.
 
boiler wb,timer,room stat materials £1,050.00+labour £550.00=£1,600.00 inc vat (this is the last one i fitted 2 weeks back )
plus I give them free power flush
 
kirkgas said:
if the property meets the exemption criteria for needing a HE boiler it is possible to fit an SE boiler in a swap over in 3-4 hrs so if you can buy a boiler for £400 odd, then yes it can, or if an HE is already in then how long would it take to sway a boiler for an exact same model? we used to do warranty work for various manufacturers and got 3.5hrs labour to change a boiler, ok you use the old flue hole and existing jig so again yes it can, obviously anything else needed gets more cash, how you do you sales pitch is up to you, this is how they do theirs, from the landline they must be in Bellshill area a few miles from me but i dont know them,, nice free advert you are giving them by leaving the phone number in!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Got some info on the price cutting boiler swoppers, i'll no name & shame but there's 2 guys involved, in partnership i believe, 1 in bellshill & 1 in coatbridge, drumpellier i'm told . ring any bells kirk
 
Probably end up with boiler piped like this lovely one I bumped into today


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customer double lucky as its a ferroli as well !!

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band b glowworm beta com £456 inc boiler flue and clock and fill loop. leaves 350 labour, no way on earth it can be a band a unless 2nd hand or nicked!!!
 
shop down next to me in govanhell is advertising combi swaps at £750, I priced a combi swap at £1000(sabre boiler) someone else done it for £800, lost out on a heating system by a good couple of hundred and my joiner was doing the joinery work, told me install was a shambles and condensate pipe just popping outside.
 
GQuigley67 said:
shop down next to me in govanhell is advertising combi swaps at £750, I priced a combi swap at £1000(sabre boiler) someone else done it for £800, lost out on a heating system by a good couple of hundred and my joiner was doing the joinery work, told me install was a shambles and condensate pipe just popping outside.
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Pure quality,I love it when I miss out on jobs like this..:presents2:
 
You can get a sime (pile of junk) down here for about £500 ., and if they are like me dont pay for materials then £300 for labour straight swap then whats the big deal???
 
gaspastemania said:
You can get a sime (pile of junk) down here for about £500 ., and if they are like me dont pay for materials then £300 for labour straight swap then whats the big deal???
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The cost of the advert we've looking at is £150 per week then there's all the other overheads as well
 
Well however you look a it wether gear knocked off or not nobody works for nothing and if they are happy to be earning £150 from a combi upgrade good for them . Times are tough to many plumbers etc , training centers and gas safe passing through muppetts its a case of deal with it because bubble has burst.
 
Bit sad really, let them get on with it. Wouldn't be me though! Its not the Scottish way ;0)
 
There's desperate people out there, wasting it for everyone else, we're heading back to the way it was in the 80's, maybe worse.
 
Well, I'll no go into it too much but the country is getting flooded!!
 
johnnyplumb said:
Got some info on the price cutting boiler swoppers, i'll no name & shame but there's 2 guys involved, in partnership i believe, 1 in bellshill & 1 in coatbridge, drumpellier i'm told . ring any bells kirk
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not ringing any bells, send me a PM with their names, just out of noseyness, i wont post on it or comment
 
I give the option to the customer of a ferroli optimax with 5 years warranty £499 inc clock and flue and £300 labour or worcester greenstar around £1000 inc flue and clock with 2 years warranty and £300 labour, combi to combi! think u can guess which customer goes for!!
 
If you are stupid enough to do a combi change for a few hundred pounds more fool you , I know a guy who drives a top of the range van that is empty bar a hose and a few fittings. The prices he charges he only needs to work one day a week , He does not do breakdowns or call outs.
 
if they aint registering the boiler could even be a band B, there are still band B's being sold, boiler flue and clock for around £400, for £800 its gonna be a crap boiler and a crap job and I would bet my bottom dollar its not done to regs.
 
gaspastemania said:
its easily done in 3-5 hours and the place is often left cleaner than when i first go in !
To be honest if your taking 8/9 hours to do a combi combi swap then you must spend half the day looking at the job rather than actually working !!
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if the job is well planned,and you can get a 8am start finnished loads by dinnertime,takes a day when your running the gas back to the meter.If youve worked on price work for some of the big companies you find yourself doing it quicker than guys who have only worked for themselves,but 800 quid is taking the ****.
 
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