22mm to combi boilers? 15mm no good?

[mrgas]

its amazing i didn't think there was any corgi guys on this site i asked if any of you needed free help to gain experience and no reply's in a month! why do think that people undertake ilegal gas work? fit your boiler my friend do a gas tightness test before you start work to check for any existing leaks,and the same test after you have finished your gas work if your not 100% sure when commishining the boiler ie gas rate,burner pressure then get one of the many corgi guys which seem to be on this sight to do it for you for a fee. ps if you need a hand fitting it let me know,cos like your self mate i joint this forum for help......good luck mate.

 

[newbie1]

its amazing i didn't think there was any corgi guys on this site i asked if any of you needed free help to gain experience and no reply's in a month! why do think that people undertake ilegal gas work? fit your boiler my friend do a gas tightness test before you start work to check for any existing leaks,and the same test after you have finished your gas work if your not 100% sure when commishining the boiler ie gas rate,burner pressure then get one of the many corgi guys which seem to be on this sight to do it for you for a fee. ps if you need a hand fitting it let me know,cos like your self mate i joint this forum for help......good luck mate.

thats the whole point dont fit the thing if
a/not corgi registered
b/sure of what your doing
why would any corgi guy come and sign off a boiler that if it goes pear shaped will have his name on it just for a backhander
do your training and read ur corgi books its good to ask questions but asking about whether 15mm gas pipe is good enough for a boiler with a 22mm connection would seem to point toward a complete lack of training and knowledge and not someone i would want doing any gas fitting in my house

 

[plumbnuts]

Training and knowledge is not gained by illegal gas work as you can see by the first thread, reading and studying is a good start. It's strange, if you were asked to fly a Jumbo Jet solo, you would refuse due to lack of knowledge and understanding but most importantly fear for your own life. Work ilegally on gas and there is no fear as its not your life thats threatened. Strange eh!

 

[Bagsy]

This is an interesting post and one that I feel like saying to our government, can you see what we were saying to you when you foolhardily introduced this mad scheme. I remember lobbying labour's elf n safety MP Angela Eagle. So my question was to her, so what will stop any individual doing a course, such as carpenters to become gas engineers? No, no I was assured only like minded tradesmen will be able to do the course, so a kitchen fitter would only be able to do fitting of gas hobs for instance? I lost the plot with this absurd system when I did my last ACOPs course with a carpenter that did ALL elements of the course. He was now as qualified as me and in the eyes of the law a fully fledged gas fitter and service engineer. Make no mistake there must be a scheme in the interest of gas safety. But not the way they have gone about it. I remember going to a water heater once, that had be allegedly maintained by a newly qualified gas person, to find the pilot light 30cm long and the heater sooted up. The customer had paid well over £200 to have work done on this heater and I corrected the faults for under £45 including parts. They can change gas legislation as much as they like, but until the government realizes that there is no substitute for proper apprenticeships, then sadly we will always be doomed. What ever happened to the 2.5% CITB used to take of my profits to put back into apprenticeships? I think I have a legitimate claim for my money back?????

Bagsy

 

[buffy27]

whats the craic,
my bubble i think has just been burst ...
i thought that the qualified gas engineers in the uk were all clever/intelligent ,experienced and highly tested tradesmen.now it seems that there are carpenters and other non related people passing the courses.jesus lads, the reason i came on here is because i thought the english lads were well up on things. just to say i'm pretty disapointed in hearing this . p s . i know little about gas and not intending to knock the good guys on here. in ireland u must b a qualified propper plumber ,with papers ,to do gas.there are no quick courses here on anything, apart from flower arranging and origammi.
not saying the trades in ireland are better, believe u me there are more cowboys here than hollywood in the 50's.
a disapointed,
buffy

 

[Mobileghod]

lol . . . . .lets plumb

 

[HTB]

Just doing pipe sizing in first week of CCN course. Its fairly straightforward, just use the tables, a tape measure and the rating of appliances to be installed. Not rocket science. I strongly suspect the real benefits of experience would be realised on "real installations" once the parameters have been established. I.e. choosing the most common sense way to run the pipes through the building to the appliances, fortunately having been a plumber for over 4 years I've got a little bit of that, one thing I am picking up is that you have to consider future developments, i.e sizing for a conventional hob when in the future that could be changed for a massive range type of thing or one of those hobs with a huge wok burner on it. All interesting stuff.

 

[fatoftheland]

I think we will find that Gas safe register will be the same toothless high priced entity that Corgi was/is.

Corgi changed their policies a few years ago to become a profit making organisation at the expense of course of Gas engineers.
Gas register Start as they mean to go on.....Profit!

 

[heat24seven]

I cant understand why any corgi registered installer would want to give out free advice to people who shouldnt be working with gas , we pay alot of money in assesments and to corgi to show we are competent and able to work out gas rates , pipe sizes etc.. I am going to have a look to see if theres a pilots forum because i fancy flying planes and want some tips , got to be cheaper than getting a pilots licence !

 

[plumbnuts]

Fatoftheland - I agree give people that are newly qualified a helping hand. You need to read the thread! He refers to working at "Customers house" and doesn't know the basics. As previously stated, if newly qualified he would know that the old boiler with the gas pipe run in 15mm is not the same output as the new boiler. I have asked him to send me his Corgi number by private email and then I will be willing to assist in anway I can. But as said, I am not prepared to assist illegal gas workers to undercut registered installers who have the obvious overheads. Gas pipe sizing is basic knowledge, particually if you are newly qualified!
Steve

 

[jono44]

Only read first and last page and really only want to say that if you don't know the basics of pipe sizing and the importance of getting it right you probably haven't got a clue about any of the real safety issues involved when installing heating (gas) appliances and therefore should not be doing the Job.
As for bagsy I would say to him - If a young bloke leaves school and does an apprenticeship in plumbing & gas and then realises after years of work that he has really hated the whole thing from the outset but stuck it out on his fathers advice and encouragement. But now says enough is enough and decides its time to get out and experience something else. Is it too late for this person now? - Is he a plumber for life or is he aloud to re-train and possibly spend the rest of life doing something he might enjoy a bit more?

 

[heat24seven]

I didnt know everything when I first started , and I probably dont now !But before I was let loose on my own in customers houses I worked under people who did know everything and were there to assist me , but I would have got a proper bXXXXXXXing if I didnt know how to gas rate an appliance and size the pipework correctly especially after just learning it all in college.

 

[davetheplumber]

way to go plumbnuts!!!!

 

[feltham]

there is a chart in the gas core book to work out what size pipework you need to avoid a drop of over 1mb drop over the carcass .

i havent passed the gas corse that long ago and wanted to know if every one knew if you had to have esentrial elerictrics to use a multi meter on a boiler

 

[Dannypipe]

there is a chart in the gas core book to work out what size pipework you need to avoid a drop of over 1mb drop over the carcass .

i havent passed the gas corse that long ago and wanted to know if every one knew if you had to have esentrial elerictrics to use a multi meter on a boiler

Good question! I doubt it. You'll just be checking to see if somethings shorted out I guess? A lot of heating engineers are becoming Part P registered now though.