Whats happening to 6129 level 3

[joe brown]

Hey everyone, I have read on the forum t6hat they are doing away with the 6129 course . I am currently on my first year of 6129 level 2. If they stop it whats happening to level 3

 

[Steve_P]

A lot of the training companies I'm talking to at the moment aren't bothering with the 6129 and instead saying "it's available but there's add-ons to the 6128, and it's a cheaper route". Don't tell me that there's going to be certification for everything like with electricians?

 

[EASMECH]

Please be carefull as this technically isnt a PLUMBING Qual it is a Heating and Ventilation Qual which are seen very differently in the industry.

Although they are linked, if you go for a 6128 you would be classed as an industrial fitter who specialises in Heating and ventilation and not domestic plumbing.

When they bring out the new qual, from what i have heard it will not be to different than now. But it will be a QCF diploma and not an NVQ as we kow it. It will be structured differently but the end result will be the same.

EAS Mechanical Ltd (co.uk)

 

[moony]

Please be carefull as this technically isnt a PLUMBING Qual it is a Heating and Ventilation Qual which are seen very differently in the industry.

Although they are linked, if you go for a 6128 you would be classed as an industrial fitter who specialises in Heating and ventilation and not domestic plumbing.

When they bring out the new qual, from what i have heard it will not be to different than now. But it will be a QCF diploma and not an NVQ as we kow it. It will be structured differently but the end result will be the same.

EAS Mechanical Ltd (co.uk)

not seen very different in industry - the heat and vent course is domestic as well as commercial, you have diff summit skills book to determine what you cover, im doing a heat and vent nvq 6088 which incorporates all the bathrooms outside drainage etc etc only thing it doesnt cover is lead work - how many plumbers do lead now ? it spends the time from the missing lead work on more detailled heating and ventillation. this is domestic or commercial depending on which one you cover in your job. currently theres 2 people doing commercial in my class, 5 people mainly doing domestic bathrooms not even heating and 10 of us who are domestic and employed with a gas safe registered company. the 5 lads with the bathroom installing companys have been told they have to move once on level 3 to a gas safe company working on heating projects.

we do a lot more on fault finding on boilers and a lot more on the heating side - i think its a better qualification to go for. especially with the uprise of people jumping into the trade doing the wet jobs and not having a clue on the heating side

 

[trev.p74]

The evidence you are gathering for your 6129 L2 will be used by whatever replaces the NVQ2 so no need to worry.

Cheers Shano, good to know.

 

[fuzzy]

there will be some rules of combination for people with a 6129, probably need a bridging module before you can do the new NVQ or diploma before progressing to L3

 

[dale:)]

the only reason i have been told is that they are taking all lead work off of plumbing courses. this means they have to change the course title.

 

[Deleted member 25704]

Fuzzy can you explain what rules of combination are for QCF.

Does this mean a combination of a theory unit, then a practical unit - and are they assessed seperately?

Do you have to do one before the other, and what order does it go?

 

[jase158]

One day we will be saying, "I did my plumbing course back when it was called a NVQ"

simply every few years they change and update things, I believe this is what this is. Just an update on the courses, I believe all course will be called diplomas, not just plumbing courses.

 

[fuzzy]

i think rules of combination refers to which units you need to make a full qualification

for instance a qual may require 12 units, it may require 6 mandatory and 6 optional from say 15. you couldnt do any 12 as they must be part of the rules of combination in order to create a certificate

performance etc im not sure about yet, ill be having a good look soon though

 

[Deleted member 25704]

i think rules of combination refers to which units you need to make a full qualification

for instance a qual may require 12 units, it may require 6 mandatory and 6 optional from say 15. you couldnt do any 12 as they must be part of the rules of combination in order to create a certificate

performance etc im not sure about yet, ill be having a good look soon though

Thanks Fuzzy,

I understand this bit thanks to your help. However, there will be 'knowledge units' and 'performance units'. Can the knowledge units be taken before the performance units and vice verca, or is it totally flexible in that any unit of knowledge or performance can be done without the other.

What I am getting at is: can a candidate sign up for a certificate, do all the practical tasks and then do the knowledge bits a year or so later? I accept that the candidate will not have the full certificate or diploma, but they might want to transfer to say electrical installation from plumbing and want to take some of the transferrable units with them.

Is this the case or will it be delivered as per traditional courses, to groups of trainees over a period of weeks/months/years?

The other issue are the skills that have mandatory simulated assessment such as for electrical and gas, or for technicaly specific subjects.

These have to be assessed in QCF in simulated environments. Can the trainees do these performance units before the knowledge units. What I am getting at here is that people may just buy the units they need and not bother with the qualification. They may specifically want gas units and electrical training and sod the rest.

 

[jase158]

Thanks Fuzzy,

I understand this bit thanks to your help. However, there will be 'knowledge units' and 'performance units'. Can the knowledge units be taken before the performance units and vice verca, or is it totally flexible in that any unit of knowledge or performance can be done without the other.

What I am getting at is: can a candidate sign up for a certificate, do all the practical tasks and then do the knowledge bits a year or so later? I accept that the candidate will not have the full certificate or diploma, but they might want to transfer to say electrical installation from plumbing and want to take some of the transferrable units with them.

Is this the case or will it be delivered as per traditional courses, to groups of trainees over a period of weeks/months/years?

The other issue are the skills that have mandatory simulated assessment such as for electrical and gas, or for technicaly specific subjects.

These have to be assessed in QCF in simulated environments. Can the trainees do these performance units before the knowledge units. What I am getting at here is that people may just buy the units they need and not bother with the qualification. They may specifically want gas units and electrical training and sod the rest.

sounds like you know quite a lot already, loads more the i do, maybe speak to a tutor, i.e. not sure if many people on here will know yet, my question is when will this be changing, been promising it for last 2-3 years but don't know when it will be starting or even if it has started?

 

[fagsanbooz]

Level 2 has 12 units, 10 are 'college based' units, 2 are 'on-site' performance units (assessed at work as old nvq). Out of the 10, 7 are 'combination units' (assessed by theory exam + practical assignments in workshop) and 3 are theory only. Need all 12 to get a diploma.
Level 3 has 7 'Mandatory' units + option units from either, gas, oil, solid fuel or environmental (solar etc). Out of 7, 1 is performance unit, other 6 are college based of which only one is theory only.
Wont get full qualification unless all 7 mandatory units + at least 1 fuel option units are satisfied and wont get accreditation without full diploma qualification as far as I know. This means if someone 'picks' out just a few units, it wont get them far with accreditation etc.
The theory units that do not involve practical 'are' transferable to other similar level qualification. The
Mandatory units have to be done prior to options, this used to be called 'pre-requisite' but not sure what the advantages will be to skip a load of units!

 

[fuzzy]

i dont see why you cannot do the units in any order you like

 

[Deleted member 25704]

Level 2 has 12 units, 10 are 'college based' units, 2 are 'on-site' performance units (assessed at work as old nvq). Out of the 10, 7 are 'combination units' (assessed by theory exam + practical assignments in workshop) and 3 are theory only. Need all 12 to get a diploma.
Level 3 has 7 'Mandatory' units + option units from either, gas, oil, solid fuel or environmental (solar etc). Out of 7, 1 is performance unit, other 6 are college based of which only one is theory only.
Wont get full qualification unless all 7 mandatory units + at least 1 fuel option units are satisfied and wont get accreditation without full diploma qualification as far as I know. This means if someone 'picks' out just a few units, it wont get them far with accreditation etc.
The theory units that do not involve practical 'are' transferable to other similar level qualification. The
Mandatory units have to be done prior to options, this used to be called 'pre-requisite' but not sure what the advantages will be to skip a load of units!

Thanks fagsanbooz

I appreciate this information as its difficult to work out from documentation. With the combination units which combine theory and practice assessment - does this mean they are combined in the same assessment, or do candidates do the theory assessment at one time, and then later do the practical assessment and this is known as a rule of combination. Or are the assessments designed to test both 'knowledge' and 'performance' activity at the same time? - I am familiar with the technical certificate which had the 12/13 modules of theory/assessments, and then the key 5 performance/assessments.

Does the college course play out the same way in terms of theory delivery, followed by the performance activities. Can the theory be delivered up front, assessed, and then the candidate does the practical performance activities - or can it be done the other way around.

Sorry if my questions are confusing, and thanks for responding.