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when and why did plumbers who work on heating systems decide they didn’t want to be called plumbers?
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Maybe as a way to seperate gas registered plumbers from non gas registered plumbers? You do find some gas engineers are just that, great at boiler and heating installs but don't have a clue when it comes to the rest of the plumbing in the house.when and why did plumbers who work on heating systems decide they didn’t want to be called plumbers?
Maybe so Craig,
That’s kind of my experience with competence, heating or gas engineer immediately makes me think career change cowboy. To me the craft is in pipework and installation.
Maybe so Craig,
That’s kind of my experience with competence, heating or gas engineer immediately makes me think career change cowboy. To me the craft is in pipework and installation.
but don't have a clue when it comes to the rest of the plumbing in the house.
You'd be surprised, and your response is a typical gas engineer response to domestic plumbing.Yes, because designing and calculating pipework for a bog basin bath and kitchen sink is rocket science compared to calculating heating, gas pipework... oh and pump sizing.
You'd be surprised, and your response is a typical gas engineer response to domestic plumbing.
I worked solely on heating systems the company I worked for had me down as a heating engineer. I did a 4 year apprenticeship in plumbing as well. I have never changed career but the company that I worked for only covered heating so that is why I was called a heating engineer.
I thought you were one of those that wanted to be a career change cowboys?
Yes, because designing and calculating pipework for a bog basin bath and kitchen sink is rocket science compared to calculating heating, gas pipework... oh and pump sizing.
Having trained people on behalf of various companies I'd be fairly confident I could teach a lay person of average intelligence to fault find the electrical/control side of a domestic heating system in one to two days.
Sizing pipes based on look up tables/pumps on discharge curves is hardly rocket surgery.
By discipline I've served and instrumentation apprenticeship, whilst working as an instrument technician I obtained a degree in electrical and control engineering going on to become a instrument/controls engineer. After 10 years designing, installing and commissioning systems in oil/gas/chemical/power industries I now largely work as a consultant/troubleshooter.
I'm in the process of setting up a pluming/heating company as the tales of woe from friends and family lead me to believe there is a big skills shortage locally. I guess you could call it being a career change cowboy but I'd happily go head to head with any gas safe "heating engineer" fixing/designing domestic heating systems.
If your that good and that competent why are you here asking questions surely you should be building your new bus I was that will beat british gas and Pimlico.
I'd happily go head to head with any gas safe "heating engineer" fixing/designing domestic heating systems.
I don't think that's fair as we never stop learning and there is nothing wrong with asking your peers a question even if you think you already know the answer.
And do you really think the trade is just about heating controls?
So you maybe a whizz with a multimeter! How do you know the fault is with the control? What experience do you have to eliminate that the fault doesn’t lay in the water side of things of a heating system.
Well, since you put it like that you maybe have a valid point there. Personally I have always been rather proud to call myself a plumber. Just mentioning the fact usually results in a flurry of requests for work to be done too. I do very little plumbing work outside of my day to day job but it's nice to know it's there if I need it.
I'm certainly not ashamed to be a plumber and happily tell people who ask.
He quite obviously thinks himself better than us, he seems to think someone who calls themselves a heating engineer a career change cowboy yet he is planning to change career himself he is also asking the very same "cowboys" that he seems to think he knows more than and is already better than questions about the job that he can apparently teach someone in a day.
Not sure what part of the country he works in but round me it's a very small plumb industry and people who are quite frankly arrogant do not last very long.
Well, since you put it like that you maybe have a valid point there. Personally I have always been rather proud to call myself a plumber. Just mentioning the fact usually results in a flurry of requests for work to be done too. I do very little plumbing work outside of my day to day job but it's nice to know it's there if I need it.
I'm certainly not ashamed to be a plumber and happily tell people who ask.
If your that good and that competent why are you here asking questions surely you should be building your new bus I was that will beat british gas and Pimlico.
Where have I said I'm better than anyone? I'm simply asking why those with gas qualifications look down on those without?
Sort of like what you said about plumbers thenPure and simple elitism, a bit like the way your putting yourself across. Oh ‘ I’m degree trained and because of what I do.. I’ll **** doing domestic stuff.
Yes, because designing and calculating pipework for a bog basin bath and kitchen sink is rocket science compared to calculating heating, gas pipework... oh and pump sizing.
I'm simply asking why those with gas qualifications look down on those without?
Sort of like what you said about plumbers then
We all still ask questions
That we do. But I wouldn't have the cheek to call someone a cowboy that I've just asked questions to. I also wouldn't have the cheek to say I could teach someone a job in a day what some of us have spent years training and retraining to do.
Pure and simple elitism, a bit like the way your putting yourself across. Oh ‘ I’m degree trained and because of what I do.. I’ll **** doing domestic stuff.
I don’t think you’re doing yourself any favours belittling people and then when you get a reply you don’t like (but must have thought you’d get) you state all your qualifications and experience. As much as to say “I’m better than you so don’t question me”.
I’m one of those career change cowboys but maybe I should have just gone and signed on the dole and let people like you pay me to live.
Or maybe your just trying to get your number of posts up. This ain’t a rant, just a measured reply.
Not entirely sure what you mean by this.I can be a plumbing snob one minute and gas snob the next. I think there’s some on here like yourself.. just have an inferiority complex and see the gas safe/ Oftec as the golden chalice.
That we do. But I wouldn't have the cheek to call someone a cowboy that I've just asked questions to. I also wouldn't have the cheek to say I could teach someone a job in a day what some of us have spent years training and retraining to do.
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