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After being shot down twice yesterday, thread closed twice, hence this new one (Croppie, please have a little patients!). Not every non-GSR on here is a have-a-go-cowboy looking to blow themselves up. Neither am I interested in the slightest in breaking the law - or putting me or my family at risk, on the contrary I'm happy to get my wallet out when needed. However I do like to know where I stand with regards the law and regulations - not only that I like to know exactly what I'm paying for if I have to call in a GSR techie. So before you close this thread with a blunt 'stop playing with it and go pay a gsr guy' reply - read this, taken from the Gas Safe website:

What gas work can be undertaken by other tradespersons?
If the work required only involves the replacement of a water carrying component e.g. a pump or central
heating control valve, housed within the boiler’s decorative casing, the work could be undertaken by another
competent tradesperson e.g. plumber/electrician. Providing the work could be undertaken without having to
break a combustion chamber seal (see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below), or disturbing
any gas carrying component, it would not need to be undertaken by a Gas Safe registered engineer.

I cant post the link but google for "What gas work can be undertaken by other tradespersons" then click the first link that appears.

The important bit in that quote for me is 'competent tradesperson' which whether this applies to me is open for debate - but I'd prefer to a sensible discussion about it instead of simply having my threads closed/deleted.

So there you have it - the facts straight from the horses mouth.
 
Surely the quote itself there is saying that you cannot work on any gas related part of the boiler period?

My original thread (now deleted) was requesting information about a dodgy 3 way diverter valve, and possible pump issue - I got shot down saying I should not be messing with it, one reply said I was breaking the law taking the cover off (not true, in my case at least the cover on my boiler is not part of the combustion chamber).
 
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You are not allowed inside any boiler!

I am not GSR and i do use guys with the right tickets to install boilers and the like. I do all other works - apart from the gas appliance install and any gas pipework!

The rest is fair play to any plumber who knows what they are doing.

If a pump/valve is outside of the boiler (ie: system boiler) then you can touch it. Otherwise its a GSR no no . . . . .
 
Please go back to last thread and read my reply. The answer is there and is based on your quote.

Reg Man - unfortunately that thread got closed so I could not reply. Thank you for you honest and accurate advice.

You are not allowed inside any boiler!

I am not GSR and i do use guys with the right tickets to install boilers and the like. I do all other works - apart from the gas appliance install and any gas pipework!

The rest is fair play to any plumber who knows what they are doing.

If a pump/valve is outside of the boiler (ie: system boiler) then you can touch it. Otherwise its a GSR no no . . . . .

Can you show me where in the regulations it says this? I'm not after a slanging match on this - just clarification and to stop any misinformation (which forums by their nature are abound with).
 
Quote: What gas work can be undertaken by other tradespersons?
If the work required only involves the replacement of a water carrying component e.g. a pump or central
heating control valve, housed within the boiler’s decorative casing, the work could be undertaken by another
competent tradesperson e.g. plumber/electrician. Providing the work could be undertaken without having to
break a combustion chamber seal (see Can I take the case off my gas appliance? below), or disturbing
any gas carrying component, it would not need to be undertaken by a Gas Safe registered engineer.

Read more: http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/c...rtaken-other-tradespersons.html#ixzz2JHWmPSDt

Technicaly this quote is correct: but the risk is if you are not experienced on boiler work you could unwitingly open up a gas way (combustion chamber or gas component) with in the boilers decorative case, also you could accidentaly change something which could maladjust the gas workings on the boiler, so that is why the GSR guys are saying don't touch it.
 
The important bit in that quote for me is 'competent tradesperson' which whether this applies to me is open for debate - but I'd prefer to a sensible discussion about it instead of simply having my threads closed/deleted.

Have you undergone the relevant CCN1 training, sat the exams and passed then registered as a Gas Safe engineer?

If not there is no debate.

You cannot prove you are competent.

You are not competent.

The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 part B Regulation 3 states -

Qualification and supervision3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.
(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—
(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or
(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.
(5) An approval given pursuant to paragraph (3) above (and any withdrawal of such approval) shall be in writing and notice of it shall be given to such persons and in such manner as the Health and Safety Executive considers appropriate.
(6) The employer of any person carrying out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel in the course of his employment shall ensure that such of the following provisions of these Regulations as impose duties upon that person and are for the time being in force are complied with by that person.
(7) No person shall falsely pretend to be a member of a class of persons required to be approved under paragraph (3) above.
(8) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (b) of regulation 2(4), when a person is carrying out work in premises referred to in that sub-paragraph in relation to a gas fitting in a vehicle, vessel or caravan—
(a)paragraphs (1), (2) and (6) of this regulation shall be complied with as respects thereto; and
(b)he shall ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the installation of the gas fittings and flues will not contravene the provisions of these Regulations when the gas fittings are connected to a gas supply,
except that this paragraph shall not apply where the person has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle, vessel or caravan will be first used for a purpose which when so used will exclude it from the application of these Regulations by virtue of sub-paragraphs (a), (c) or (e) of regulation 2(5).



This is why your threads get closed and WILL continue to be closed.
 
You are not allowed inside any boiler!

I am not GSR and i do use guys with the right tickets to install boilers and the like. I do all other works - apart from the gas appliance install and any gas pipework!

The rest is fair play to any plumber who knows what they are doing.

If a pump/valve is outside of the boiler (ie: system boiler) then you can touch it. Otherwise its a GSR no no . . . . .

This is how I work as well. When I became a plumber GasSafe wrote to me wishing me well and warning me not to open any gas boiler as I'd be breaking the law.

Mattiker - you're more than welcome to try another forum.

I appreciate the diverter valve isn't gas and what you're wanting to know is probably fairly simple but the law is the law and, in my opinion, it's unfair to push the law abiding citizens on here and try and wrangle the information out of them.
 
I don't understand the confusion!

If it's gas & you're not gas safe registered, don't touch it!

Pretty simple to me, especially when it's a matter of life or death! (yes it is as extreme as that because if something goes wrong gas has a tendency to blow up!)

I wouldn't mess with something I wasn't 100% sure of, so don't see why others should be endangered by people who are not GSR's but think they can.!
 
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