Exotic Syphon

[wateece]

Hi Chaps

I am trying to identify the syphon below and had no joy on the net. There are no obvious signs on the syphon or the cistern. I was hoping to get just a new diaphragm but have no hope unless I can work out what this is. I am aware that you could probably just get a universal to do the job, but would like to try a repair rather than a replace as I am skint.

Cheers

Will

 

[secret squirrel]

I never try and repair them, I always replace them with a fluid master, best option in the long run

 

[wateece]

Thanks for that, how is the blue ring fitted to the bottom of the cistern with the above syphon. I have a habit of not knowing my strength and snapping things when made of plastic (sometimes metal), does it just push in or screw in from the top???

 

[stevetheplumber]

big nut under the cysten if its close coupled youll have to unbolt the cisten from the pan

 

[secret squirrel]

There are two bolts going through the cistern to the pan, remove the nuts disconnect the inlet valve, remove cistern there is a nut underneath undo this pull it out and re assemble

 

[secret squirrel]

you'llneed a new donut washer as well, this sits between the cistern and the pan

 

[WHPES]

Replace it, they're not that expensive and if you do manage to find a diaphragm, chances are it will be about 1/2 the cost of a complete new unit.

 

[wateece]

That's what I was hoping you wouldn't say :toilet: hence why I would love to know the make and just get a diaphragm. This is just one of an ever growing list of jobs and I was hoping for a quickie

 

[chris watkins]

Galassia Spares, original and new style valves, buttons and seals etc.

This one looks like yours ?

 

[wateece]

Cheers guys!!! Just changed the TCO on the shower, the soil pipe on the other toliet, the valves in the kitchen taps, the fence .....................

Been one of those months, thanks for the heads up!!

 

[hammers4spanner]

Galassia Spares, original and new style valves, buttons and seals etc.

This one looks like yours ?

you seen one before then !!

 

[secret squirrel]

£36......

I can get a fluid master for £10!!! what a rip off

 

[chris watkins]

No, just know where to go & look.

 

[secret squirrel]

I normally buy a twin pack, syphon and inlet valve both fluid master cost about £15 can't be beaten (I don't think). No, waiting for suppliers to get a delivery.

Still thats just me, each to there own

 

[chris watkins]

£36......

I can get a fluid master for £10!!! what a rip off

& how much would you charge him to put it in for him ?
£6.00 for the washer (a bit of rubber !!) but easy to replace that is why it costs £6.00. Fundamental rules of business ! is it worth £6.00, yes, why? because people are willing to pay it.

 

[secret squirrel]

Minimum charge £45, simples.

For me, hunting around trying to find the right part waiting for it to be delivered toilet leaking water into the bowl etc.

As I said each to there own, new syphon job done there and then, no waiting, no wasting time trying to find the part, searching the internet to get the part ordering it, sitting there looking at books in suppliers etc,

It is the same reason why I never replace the discs in 1/4 turn taps, never get the right ones always trying to source them or new tap done there and then no messing job done.

I find people want this rather than having to wait,

Having said that if it is a diy job then the diyer can spend his time trolling about shops and internet, it aint costing me time and money

 

[Paulus]

Check the seal for tiny bubbles. These appear on many valves of this kind and simply popping the bubbles with a pin restores the seal.
You may need a magnifying glass.

 

[wateece]

Interesting thread but as has been pointed out each to their own. To explain my logic as a DIY kinda of chap, the time and cost saving are the issues. Sure maybe you can get better parts and fit within an hour (something normally happens to make it longer) but this is a simple a quick replace.

As I would have to remove the cistern, I would then have to turn off the water etc as there is no lock out, take off the sealant, fiddle for a while with the cistern, replace parts, reseal etc = more time+more cost.

The image below shows what I mean, I am sure for a competent plumber it would be quick and easy, but for myself it would take much longer than changing a diaphragm. I spent 30 mins on line and potentially have saved £60-70 - well worth it.

Thanks for all the replies

 

[wateece]

Cheers Paulus

The diaphram is shot, it's split and disintergarting so a new one should sort it!

 

[chris watkins]

Interesting thread but as has been pointed out each to their own. To explain my logic as a DIY kinda of chap, the time and cost saving are the issues. Sure maybe you can get better parts and fit within an hour (something normally happens to make it longer) but this is a simple a quick replace.

As I would have to remove the cistern, I would then have to turn off the water etc as there is no lock out, take off the sealant, fiddle for a while with the cistern, replace parts, reseal etc = more time+more cost.

The image below shows what I mean, I am sure for a competent plumber it would be quick and easy, but for myself it would take much longer than changing a diaphragm. I spent 30 mins on line and potentially have saved £60-70 - well worth it.

Thanks for all the replies
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Have you had a look at the post 9 on this thread the web site sells the spare washers as well as the valves ? or is the one shown not yours?

 

[wateece]

Yeah - cheers!! Perhaps I wasnt very clear - Got the part ordered and much cheaper and easier for me than doing a replace! Was trying to explain the logic behind repair rather than replace.

 

[TomLane]

That toilet doesn't look particularly old!

How old is it?

Is there a guarantee with the new part you've ordered?

May happen again within a short space of time therefore negating the savings made now!

 

[wateece]

I dont think it is, not sure as it was in the house when we moved in. The last owners had expensive tastes, Bristan taps with ceramic valves, rather than a good old washer for a few pence.