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Nice guide! It's a few days old looking at the energy saving trust logo?
2003 though that bit hasn't been changed
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Nice guide! It's a few days old looking at the energy saving trust logo?
So if i havent got a room stat, only rad thermostats then he shouldnt of ticked the box, is that what you are sayingInstalled a stat and programmer or a programmable stat. Page 8 of the guide
They are just twist knob ones as far as i know. i dont have a room thermostat because the plumber said i didnt need but but his mate the GSE who connected me said i did but he still ticked the box knowing i didnt have one.The only paperwork he has left me is the commissioning check list.WHen he has ticked that box he is saying that it has one and it is activated.
They danger here is that this person may be lying / being fraudulent. hence the links to the guides and building regs.
If he hasn't installed a room thermostat it is almost 100% certain that he hasn't actually done anything about the boiler interlock and just ticked the box.
In which case he is in breach of the building regulations.
He should also issue with a building regulations certificate. - Have you had one?
Have you got a room thermostat?
Have you got programmable trv's with a central controller? (or are they just 'twist the top' type)
Basically yes, the GSE did soldered the gas pipes and connect me but only because i told the plumber that he couldnt do it although he said he was competent. When i got his quote he told me that he got a GSE in to do the boiler but half way though the job he changed his mind.So the boiler was installed by a non qualified engineer and signed off by another ? I would be calling gas safe!!
He will charge me for the room stat because it wasnt in the quote, i just thought that i was getting everything that was needed. I rang the guy who connected the gas today and asked him why he had ticked the box that said boiler interlock provided, he said that its nothing to do with having a room stat and that it just means that you can turn the boiler off manually.You now know what your system should have and how it should be configured.
Tell the plumber that you need it done in accordance with the building regs.
If between then they wont, then report to Gas Safe, Building Control, and your local Citizens Advice Bureau, as they shouldn't be allowed to continue this bad practice.
Just dowload the document on this link TACMA launches its guide to the new 2010 Part L Regulations - BEAMA | News
print it out and show it to them....
document summary
He really knows his stuff then !!!!!!!!He will charge me for the room stat because it wasnt in the quote, i just thought that i was getting everything that was needed. I rang the guy who connected the gas today and asked him why he had ticked the box that said boiler interlock provided, he said that its nothing to do with having a room stat and that it just means that you can turn the boiler off manually.
I rang the guy who connected the gas today and asked him why he had ticked the box that said boiler interlock provided, he said that its nothing to do with having a room stat and that it just means that you can turn the boiler off manually.
No, the rads sound like they have got air in them, they are hissing but when i bleed them no air comes out. Its a very annoying noise.Is it all working properly now?
Post up the quote
That's a new one on me!
He does doesnt he. Im female and know very little about heating but i think i know a bit more than him.He really knows his stuff then !!!!!!!!
Your benchmark will be filled out (hopefully) and there is a requirement to provide interlock. A room stat is the simplest and most common way of doing this. I would be questioning whether you have chosen the right installer for the job if they do not recognise this requirement regardless of personal opinion. If we could pick and choose what reg's to abide by then it would make the job a lot easier but ..... Unregulated?
If I was you I would concentrate on getting everything working first. I think you should ask the fitter to come back and look at the noise/air issue.No, the rads sound like they have got air in them, they are hissing but when i bleed them no air comes out. Its a very annoying noise.
i have questioned whether i did get the right installer but its a bit late now. I thought they were competent, how was i meant to know. The benchmark has been filled out as i said but he has ticked the box that says boiler interlock provided and as i said above he said its nothing to do with a room stat.As I said before
This is what i read and tried to explain to him but he wont listen.A simple explanation ?
Boiler interlock is not a physical device but an arrangement of the system controls (room thermostats, programmable room thermostats, cylinder thermostats, programmers and time switches) so as to ensure that the boiler does not fire when there is no demand for heat. In a system with a combi boiler it can be achieved by fitting a room thermostat.
In a system with a regular boiler it can be achieved by correct wiring interconnection of the room thermostat, cylinder thermostat, and motorised valve(s). It may also be achieved by more advanced controls, such as a boiler energy manager. TRVs alone are not sufficient for boiler interlock
so am i worried. I dont want him to do anything to my heating anymore. I know i should cut my losses but im very angry for the situation he has put me in because i know his family well but i dont want to involve them as its not their problem.Then get rid of him. Cut your losses on it and get a professional in. I've followed your posts and I'm abit concerned about your install. Can you post pictures of the boiler install?
Ok thanks, i will get my son to take some pics and post them, he will be home soon.I'd like to see the boiler, the flue, the pipework to the boiler and the gas meter please if poss.
I'd like to see the boiler, the flue, the pipework to the boiler and the gas meter please if poss.
The gas meter is in the cupboard next to the boiler and the white pipe goes into the sink waste.The flue needs sealing inside and the pipework is extremely close to your electrics.
Is your gas meter next to the boiler cupboard? Where does the white waste pipe run to?
I know, you are right in everything you say but the people i have spoken to about it just tell me to get someone else in. How do i know though that the next person is not going to rip me off and start wanting to replace things that dont need doing, its taken me a long time to save up for my heating.He's basically taken your money and run. Your family is going to be affected by this so why not let his family know what an a$$holÂŁ they are related to. I would be reporting them both to gas safe. 1. The 'plumber' illegally installed appliance ( the gas pipe is not the only bit you must be gas safe registered for, who out of interest decommissioned, purged and capped old supply? )
2. The muppet who connected the gas and fraudulently filled in paperwork? Yes he commissioned it but he was complicit in the installation by the 'plumber'
Who is responsible for meeting the requirements of the Building Regulations?
Whoever carries out the building work should be responsible for ensuring that the work is compliant with the Building Regulations. Responsibility ultimately lies with the building owner though, who may be served a notice if work doesn't comply with the Building Regulations.
I couldn't actually see any bonding, (earthing), certainly should have been tested to ensure Zs of earth terminal adequate.
I wouldn't call it mates rates as his quote was only a couple of hundred less than the other quotes i got. He only wrote the name of the boiler on the quote that he was installing. He did tell me that if i wasnt a friend then his price would of been three times the amount, i told him that he wouldn't of got the job then, so yes he thinks he has done me a good deal.My advice would be to contact someone maybe from a reccomendation from here ask for a quote to bring up to spec and give the original guy say 7 days to correct or you will claim cost of work from him ?
A lot depends on whether it was a mates rates job or you have a full paperwork trail ?
Might be worth contacting Gas Safe you would have to ask the guys on here as I am not in that club and not sure I want to be !
Maybe post your quote if you have one you can hide the installers details .
yep it isIs that an airbrick in picture 1 ?
I feel like ripping it all out and just open another bottle of wine!Just seen pictures . Fault 1 flue is too close to air vent, if bricks are 73 or 65mm the did stance is less than 300mm. Page 6 of boiler guide I think? Distance to opening or vent from a flue.
Fault 2 no eath on meter outlet.
Fault 3 flue looks to be poorly fitted into boiler and not sealed to brickwork.
Pipe work missing a few clips and it's very close to your electrics but they are less important.
I would anticipate that all ga safe would do is send installer a ncs letter and invite the 'plumber ' to join gas safe.
The flue and thermostat will require a gas safe engineer . Earth is a sparks job or qualified gas fitter.
You could remove air brick and replace with bricks or cement it over (looks poor tho)
As Ermintrude says too close to flue terminalyep it is
Lol Open the wine and chill as at the end of the day all can be easily sorted !I feel like ripping it all out and just open another bottle of wine!
J1 of the M3Whereabouts are you? It's all very well commenting on pictures but there's nothing like seeing the installation in the flesh.
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