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£300 is a modest sum and often a small amount like that is a ploy to get the tradesperson to just pay up to avoid any trouble.
Interesting she said she would accept instalments as she knows you don’t have much money (in her opinion).
That’s very telling, as she assumes she is getting cash payments from you, rather than paid from your insurance.
About the pressure drop, it is unusual to find but I have come across a pipe that had been screwed into actually effectively sealing the leak. I don't think you could get it to seal if you actually tried but it can happen. I have been to a leak that was caused by a screw in a pipe that was damaged weeks ago but only started showing after some time. If you were to drill through tile and screed but not into the pipe and then banged a screw through the lot and into the pipe, I could see it sealing up or at the very least only showing a tiny pinhole type spray which might not show for a while.
Just a thought as to the unusual length of time between the work being carried out and the leak showing at the boiler.
Ash, after your call to trading standards to see where you stand I hope you at least feel a bit better about this horrible situation. I really think the law is on your side with this one.
The builder/tiler may have done it ripping up the old tiles. Bodged a repair and it's shown 2 months later
Which plumber ? The people who did all the rest of a complete new plumber? If she would like to court she must have ask per the installer who fixed it for a plumbers report. Could you not get the report of her?Only thing I can think is the plumber has turned up and asked if any work has been done recently and once they said about the toilet he's gone straight for that.
Which plumber ? The people who did all the rest of a complete new plumber? If she would like to court she must have ask per the installer who fixed it for a plumbers report. Could you not get the report of her?
It was me mate. Wouldn’t put it past it being a pin hole. Especially with the state of the lagging on the other pipe.As someone said earlier, could just be a pin hole through age corrosion.
IF it were to reach court which I doubt it will I doubt if the repair man would be willing to be there to give evidence.
4 months after your last post on here about it? Or have they been in touch before this?I have received a letter from the customer this week, I will update this afternoon.
As above really mate. But you will be claiming for the inconvenience, court costs and loss of earning for the whole time you are in court. The slackness in their time responding back to you will also go in your favour.go to court then but the same will happen if you win plus lost work expenses at x amount
I would work as hard as possible between now and then. 8 x your hourly rate should do it400 a day seems fair
I also think it is vital that the time has passed for the £150.00 gesture. I would write your reply and see what they say. Might be worth getting in touch with someone in the law know how, just so you are prepared in the event they follow through with the threat.
Excellent advice from everyone once again. I understand the goodwill gesture was risky but it was crystal clear there was no admission of fault.
I will get a letter written up this week and I will post it up on here before I send it.
I feel things are more in my favour, I realise it's possible I can lose if it goes to court but I would rather lose in court, pay whatever they say than roll over now and give them money without a fight.
TBH I don't think it will end up
I hope so but I think she is arrogant enough to see it through.
It’s what I hate most about this industry. Engineers to willing to slate each other, rather then stick up for each other. Completely winds me up to my core.Yes, I think best to always retaliate with a very polite but hard response, reversing the points made against Armyash and putting the customer under the same treatment.
The £150 offer was a risky one because it infers admission of some responsibility, so I would repeat it was only a goodwill gesture and generous considering I have only had a couple of photos and apparently a third party report a long period after I had done the work, with total refusal for allowing me any involvement including opportunity of notification or viewing of any allegation.
neither do I and to be honest you would have to be really unlucky for the court to not see what has happened here.TBH I don't think it will end up
It’s what I hate most about this industry. Engineers to willing to slate each other, rather then stick up for each other. Completely winds me up to my core.
It would have been fair enough if Armyash had have done something that was clearly incompetent or cowboy work,
but drilling a newly tiled floor where you were asked to fit a toilet was just an unfortunate incident that a pipe happened to be below the exact spot. (If he actually did cause the leak).
The position of the holes to be drilled in the floor would have been most likely with little, if any, choice of position.
And any pipes should ideally have been not installed below where a toilet could be and to a decent depth.
If I had have been the trade coming to find the leak, I would have told the customer it was an unknown risk to the plumber and therefore not his fault really
You’ll do fine mate. Play it exactly as you have here.They are going to argue that I either was incompetent or didn't check for pipes under the tiles. Not sure how I could have checked that. I will argue that a pan was previously fitted there so I had no reason to expect there to be pipes where I would be drilling.
They are going to argue that I either was incompetent or didn't check for pipes under the tiles. Not sure how I could have checked that. I will argue that a pan was previously fitted there so I had no reason to expect there to be pipes where I would be drilling.
As a socialist, and an ethical business, I would like to clarify that my accounting practices reflect my actual income and my actual expenditure accurately so that I will be taxed fairly to pay for essential public services (amongst other things the government spends money on).as a self employed person, where we all minimise our tax liability and therefore minimise our income
Same here mate. Everything I earn goes through my books. Wouldn’t have it any other way.As a socialist, and an ethical business, I would like to clarify that my accounting practices reflect my actual income and my actual expenditure accurately so that I will be taxed fairly to pay for essential public services (amongst other things the government spends money on).
No doubt Dave is merely referring to the fact that we all record our expenses and these are subtracted from our income, thus our day rate is not all profit, but I would like to have it on record that willfully misrepresenting profit to be lower than it actually is is not acceptable practice and not something I do myself. This is what some of the less ethical corporations are doing and I do not approve of it.
As a socialist, and an ethical business, I would like to clarify that my accounting practices reflect my actual income and my actual expenditure accurately so that I will be taxed fairly to pay for essential public services (amongst other things the government spends money on).
No doubt Dave is merely referring to the fact that we all record our expenses and these are subtracted from our income, thus our day rate is not all profit, but I would like to have it on record that willfully misrepresenting profit to be lower than it actually is is not acceptable practice and not something I do myself. This is what some of the less ethical corporations are doing and I do not approve of it.
Dave I think it was these four words that caused confusion.Excuse me! Where the hell did that come from?
No Ric, I am not referring to that at all.
Read what I said, do not read anything INTO what I said based on your own biases.
We all legally minimise our tax liability - that's what we pay accountants for.
Do not try to portrait me as some tax evader cos that will p1ss me right off...
I don’t think he meant for you to take offence mate. He was just saying that not all of us are bothered about our tax liability. I for one earn want I earn and will pay tax on all of it. As we all know not all of us do that. (I think that was his point).Excuse me! Where the hell did that come from?
No Ric, I am not referring to that at all.
Read what I said, do not read anything INTO what I said based on your own biases.
We all legally minimise our tax liability - that's what we pay accountants for.
Do not try to portrait me as some tax evader cos that will p1ss me right off...
Excuse me! Where the hell did that come from?
Do not try to portrait me as some tax evader cos that will p1ss me right off...
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