Permanent Pilot Light - Safety Issue

[Billy Bob Bob]

i have forgotten more than you will ever know LOL

 

[AWheating]

if your memory is anything like mine your probably right. I have often got to work and forgotten to pick up my apprentice on the way. lol

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

where am i? have gone to the wrong address before now,my apprentice is like a loaf of bread hes a THICK CUT

 

[AWheating]

my very first apprentice had his moments, i once gave him my A to Z to direct me to the next address when working in cannock. about half an hour later we finally got there and i then realised we were only two streets away from where we had started. that was the last time he got to use an A to Z.

 

[royston]

where am i? have gone to the wrong address before now,my apprentice is like a loaf of bread hes a THICK CUT

Ive walked out of customers front door, gone to van for something then walked straight into next doors !

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Ive walked out of customers front door, gone to van for something then walked straight into next doors !

done that loads of times

 

[stevetheplumber]

i spent a couple of minutes standing with the van remote cursing that it wouldn open the van then realised my van was on the other side of the road

 

[jayjay]

after having read the comments, this is an interesting situation however if you look at the gas industry unsafe situation procedure booklet.. part2 section 9.3 (general). this is not full quotation but is a summary it is saying,

" some old appliances exist which do not conform to current standards and as such need to be assessed individualy, as standards have changed due to research and incidents investigation. it is the gas operative who makes the idividual assesment. if an existing installation is not in accordance with current regs etc it should be considered to be NCS, providing it can only be used without consitiuting a danger to anyone and is not likley to do so."

Now could this be considered safe or is there a possibility of the pilot going out and causing a gas escape that is the fundamental question. If there is a possibility then by sub clause 6.4 you may upgrade to an AR. Again this is down to the individual who is after all the person signing to say it is or is not safe.

After all if this went up in a fire ball would the HSE look at this reg and ask the question do you consider that the system was safe in light of the recent explosion? all you gas engineers who have been doing this for a number of years I am sure have seen some real poor jobs and as such has this engineer not endevoured to ensure this customer was safe? did he leave the premises safer or more dangerous? Is saftey the main aim as a gas engineer. As for HOBs without FSD would you put your hob gas on and go out to work or on holiday? and that is why they are a different prospect.

As you stated you are thinking of changing this gas fire, my advice would be to follow that line then when you go out you can rest assured that your children/family are safe!

 

[GrahamM]

If you have explained the situation in full, strongly recommending the appliance be removed, you have acted responsibly. Get all this down on paperwork and I would be happy. It cannot be 'AR' in my opinion as no fault exists to classify it as such and it certainly is not 'ID' giving them the right to cut it off.
Interpreting it as you have put it would 'AR' every gas fire out there as they all have a risk of burning you-there is no fault to classify 'AR', but there is still a risk. The GIUSP is only a guideline to work by and give us engineers a help in classifying certain situations.