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We have just had an indirect unvented cylinder (250l Vertical Telford Tempest) installed along with a nest v3 thermostat.
The plumber was able to modify our existing combi boiler, so it runs like a system boiler.

I am trying to understand how it works as currently the plumber has set it to come on for 2 hours each day (1hour between 5am-6am and 5pm-6pm).
During these times, the boiler remains continuously on and only switches off after the hour mark.
Is this right?
I would have thought during the set times that the boiler should come on, it would work in connection with the cylinders thermostat so once the waters heat got to a set level, the boiler will shut off.

The cylinders booklet states it takes 28min for it to heat up.

Could someone please advise on how this setup should be working and if there is anything I could do to make it more efficient, then it currently is?

Thank you
 
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Bibbs118 said:
Please re read what put. Seeing it loads off times does not meant it's OK, this is why I did say get a drawing.

And , s plan zones don't require temp and pressure relief of or a temp cut off do they? So not the same .
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No idea what world you live in though mate.
 
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Harvest Fields said:
Think we have to just disagree on this one @ShaunCorbs :D:D:D@Bibbs118. I trust what Vaillant told me and that’s that.
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Being told something is not the same has following the MIs, what am saying is, if you can't get a drawing then it's not ok .

Because it's impossible to follow MIs without having the MIs .


Just ask yourself the yes or no question and the answer will tell you what I'm saying is correct .

Do you have to install to MIs? Yes or NO
 
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Bibbs118 said:
Being told something is not the same has following the MIs, what am saying is, if you can't get a drawing then it's not ok .

Because it's impossible to follow MIs without having the MIs .
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If the manufacture say it is ok. And they warrant the job for 10 years then it is ok. But for future reference I will make sure they email me confirmation.:p:p On that not I’m done. I will not be commenting again.
 
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Can worcester authorise one of their own products ?
Of course they can .
A worcester was fitted on such set up and fitted and authorised along with guarantee themselves.

Job done money in the bank and all happy
 
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hammers4spanner said:
Can worcester authorise one of their own products ?
Of course they can .
A worcester was fitted on such set up and fitted and authorised along with guarantee themselves.

Job done money in the bank and all happy
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That ok, am not saying it can't be done, am saying the poster needs a drawing, if no drawing is available then it's not permitted .

And saying I've seen it done loads of times does not mean it's right, I've seen loads of flue not clipped but that doesn't mean it's right .
 
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You don't need a drawing / tech schematics

Doesn't mean it's unsafe or manufacturer arnt going to warrenty there boiler

Hell even if you fit the unvented incorrectly I'm sure they would still warrenty there boiler
 
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ShaunCorbs said:
You don't need a drawing / tech schematics

Doesn't mean it's unsafe or manufacturer arnt going to warrenty there boiler

Hell even if you fit the unvented incorrectly I'm sure they would still warrenty there boiler
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So what your saying you DONT need to install to manufacturers instructions? Interesting.
 
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ShaunCorbs said:
More like common sense
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The as long as you use common sense you don't have to follow MIs?


What if your common sense differs from my common sense. Because my common sense says always and without exception install to MIs, but you your common sense says something different
 
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I am not gas qualified, so won’t comment on anything gas.
The unvented cylinder will be to regs if heated by a controlled heat source of oil or gas boiler and the 2 port valve supplied with the unvented unit to be in operation, controlled by uv stat.
A combi used with extra zone, or solely a zone for unvented or vented cylinder hot water I would have thought was fine and to MIS.
The space heating main body part of a combi boiler is just the same as a heat only system boiler anyhow, - isn’t it?
But sure it only takes a phone call or email to the boiler manufacturer to confirm.
I know combi boilers are installed on homes where there is some sort of hot water cylinder (vented or not) so to give option of mains pressure hot water at some outlets, or to provide instant hot water at a supply close to where the gas boiler is sited, - like a kitchen tap.
 
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Something that is always over looked on these installs is if the dhw draw off from the combi is to a frequency used hot tap, the boiler sits in anti cycle for 5 mins every time the flow turbine moves, meaning it can take hours to heat the cylinder.
 
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As requested, Pictures from the cylinder. Seems the hot feed from the top of the cylinder is branched off - 1. Specifically to the upstairs bathrooms x 2 (1st floor and loft).
2. The rest of the house

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Any pictures of under the boiler, 2 port valves etc around the cylinder

It is insulated, not they way most would do it but I don't think it specifies anywhere what standard if insulation must be used?
 
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It's about appropriateness. If that space get s down around freezing then it needs better protection.
If however it's to protect against rodents, then that works brilliantly as they don't like the fibrous nature of it and leave it alone... Instead they use the polyplumb elbows to sharpen their teeth :D
 
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scott_d said:
Any pictures of under the boiler, 2 port valves etc around the cylinder

It is insulated, not they way most would do it but I don't think it specifies anywhere what standard if insulation must be used?
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Unfortunately not, as the pipes from the cylinder are all under the panel that has been fixed back to the cupboard.

The location of the boiler is within the kitchen.

I believe there is a 3 port valve, 2 of the ports are for underfloor heating within the kitchen/diner area.
 
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YorkshireDave said:
It's about appropriateness. If that space get s down around freezing then it needs better protection.
If however it's to protect against rodents, then that works brilliantly as they don't like the fibrous nature of it and leave it alone... Instead they use the polyplumb elbows to sharpen their teeth :D
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Never gets below around 15 degrees
 
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