@blackcatgas yes I did! But the funny thing when i had the annual service carried out i mentioned it 2 the engineer i might change the boiler. But she said 'there's nothing wrong with the boilers, its just that the engineers haven't been on the 'ideal training programme' and they dnt know what they'r dealing wth! . . . Well, i haven't taken out a contract, just waiting for it2 breakdown and get it replaced. . . .hope im doin the right thing. . . Knwn my luck come winter thats when it'l decide 2 pack up!