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Vinbery

We have an existing open flame gas fire ( installed years ago) we are now told it needs to be taken out because it is lit by hand and gas regulations say it is illegal, the engineer wouldn’t service it. Our previous Registered Gas Engineer has retired but he never mentioned any problems, they tell us the regulations have changed recently and gas fires can’t be lit by hand even if they are an existing installation, how can we check this, thanks?
 
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PETE 123

could be that its not to british std a lot made years ago were not or its classed at risk for various reasons.
 
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bacon_sandwich

Gas Engineer
I know its been in for a while but you really do need flame failure detection to shut off the gas supply. Relying on a human to control the gas supply is too scary for me. I dont service fires per se but also i have not come across a fire that has not got flame failure shut off
 
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Brambles

From a regulation perspective it centres around the MI’s and BS 5871.

However, the catch all is normally the lack of a readable data plate attached to the appliance which is a stated requirement.
 
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bacon_sandwich

Gas Engineer
From a regulation perspective it centres around the MI’s and BS 5871.

However, the catch all is normally the lack of a readable data plate attached to the appliance which is a stated requirement.
Small mercy's then !!!
 
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Ric2013

Plumber
The Thorn/EMI Housewarmer S backboiler has a gas fire front which is either lit by hand or using a tiny pilot light (about a third of a gas cigarette lighter in size) (which can be turned off with a screwdriver). The boiler data plate included the fire front. There is no flame failure device on the fire itself. Manufacture ceased in 1981.

My mother still had such a boiler in the late 2000s. When serviced, we were told the fire front pilot had to be left turned off, but we could light it with a match. Possibly the RGI decided not to be too finicky and didn't condemn the fire because we'd lived with that boiler for over 20 years and were familiar with it?

The only time we had a dangerous situation was when the dog set her tail alight, which a flame failure device would not have detected (luckily we knew the dog was stupid and kept an eye out).
 

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