Back boiler in bedroom?

[kirkgas]

You don't need permission to turn it off under AR. You only turn it off at the customer control, or maybe the electrical isolation, apply the paperwork, and the client then decides whether to continue to use it.

You need permission to disconnect.

Are you sure about this statement?

 

[dancinplumba]

Ridiculous is all this, specially as it's an open forum

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ridiculous is all this, specially as it's an open forum

agree just sounds like nobody knows what they are doing

 

[bewsh]

Isn't there a silly rule that if someone is using the room as a bedroom due to serious illness (unable to go upstairs, etc...) that it's only NCS instead of AR as well? Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[hammers4spanner]

Isn't there a silly rule that if someone is using the room as a bedroom due to serious illness (unable to go upstairs, etc...) that it's only NCS instead of AR as well? Or am I thinking of something else?

in other words you saw one today in this scenario and put ncs

 

[bewsh]

in other words you saw one today in this scenario and put ncs

Haha! No, no, I've been on a training course all week. But I'm sure I saw something in the unsafe-sits in the viper book.

 

[Hampshiregas]

Bewsh, can't say I have heard of that. On the topic if a boiler was installed before 1996 in a bedroom it's NCS. If room has changed use post 1996, then it can have a cupboard built around it with adequate ventilation and a FSD fitted. However I believe this may just reduce the classification to NCS.

Regarding classification if a boiler is AR, unless the customer complains, it goes off, on the spur, with their permission. Fill out your paperwork and notify the customer not to turn it on until rectification work has been carried out. When an ID is issued, regardless of the customers feelings, the boiler is off and supply is cut and capped. When in that situation and the customer flatly refuses and gets aggressive, I would report the job and details to my company, fill out the paperwork and if self employed notify gas safe.

i don't believe you can over classify, you have to look after your own a### it's your job, your livelihood. I would rather ID a job, safe in the knowledge I can sleep well and the customer is also going to wake up in the morning.

So with that said I would still AR the baxi Bermuda. I know your friend did not change the use of the room, but as a landlord I would demand they change it back.

 

[bewsh]

Just had a look in a corgi unsafe-sits book and it says that if the living room is temporarily used as a bedroom due to ill health then the open flued appliance may be classified as NCS, but with additional measures recommended, eg CO alarm.

And I agree, you won't get in trouble for over-classifying an unsafe situation, but you will be in trouble if you under-classify it and something happens. But that said, if the regs state it's AR and you've gone through the correct procedure then if something was to happen to someone in that room, you could not be blamed for it.

 

[Hampshiregas]

Exactly, it's all about looking after number one, that way the customers are looked after also.

 

[Millsy 82]

Exactly, it's all about looking after number one, that way the customers are looked after also.

I appreciate that you are looking out for number 1 but this is a no brainer really as its in black and white. Would you ar a cooker with no chain to look after yourself. would you ID a flue that is not clipped but in perfectly good order. No so why do that on this. You carry out your checks if it passes everything else visually inspect the termination of the flue to make sure it is still there so no little birdies can make a nice warm home in it. Then explain the issues with the tenant stating that the boiler is at risk due to blah blah then the landlord and say the same again and let him turn round to the tenant and say that they should not be sleeping in the lounge.

I have had this twice in the last couple of years always followed that and never had a sleepless night nor worried about it not even when somebody else went and turned it back on with out even noting it as I had the correct paper work all signed. If you want to be extra safe take a time stamped photo with the at risk sticker and paper work next to it just to prove you did all that.