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Hi All

I have a Ferroli DOMIcompact F24B and it is nothing but trouble, i have had a new PCB fitted, new preesure gauge, new pump and it is not working AGAIN due to pump broken again !!!

The Engineer has disconnected the pump so i only have HW, he also stated there is very small leak on Heat Exchanger (he did show me tiny bit of rust on backplate of the boiler ?)

I have had enough the Ferroli and need something reliable for winter....

I have asked for a price of a total replacement boiler and wanted a Baxi DUO TEC 24 or 28E as he has fitted on of these at my parents and it has been brilliant PLUS a 7 year warranty !!

He has stated that since the FLUE exits vertically through the roof (it goes through ceiling for 1m then 45deg for 1m the vertical again up through tiles/roof), it alsi has a 'support bracket midway).

I would also like to add ALL of the flue is less than 1 year old as it was all replaced when i had a new roof/Local Gov grant.

He has stated a BAXI can NOT be fitted due to the flue being the wrong size and is getting back to me later wit a 'suitable boiler' which will most probably be ANOTHER Ferroli or if i want a BAXI i would have to have ALL the flue replaced as well (expensive!!!)

Is this true guys ? What are my options here ?? What would you recommend???

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
 
Riley said:
You absolutely cannot use the flue of a different boiler. This is classed as modifying a gas appliance and is a big no no
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Cheers, i just wanted confirmation...

What would be my best option ?
Use a newer model compatible Ferroli ( i hate them !!!!)

Or get pump replaced and when i have the funds get a decent boiler/new flue ?

I did forget to ask, will he need to go onto the roof when flue is replced or can it be done from attic space ?

Cheers
 
Any boilers better than that garbage sorry! but true , if your on a tight budget look at baxi or ideal , a loft install you will have to follow the regulations ,have a fixed loft ladder , timber walk way , wired lighting, guard around the boiler, smoke and co alarm , and no flue can't be fitted from inside the wall will need making good before the weather shroud is fitted on the outside. Cheers kop
 
king of pipes said:
Any boilers better than that garbage sorry! but true , if your on a tight budget look at baxi or ideal , a loft install you will have to follow the regulations ,have a fixed loft ladder , timber walk way , wired lighting, guard around the boiler, smoke and co alarm , and no flue can't be fitted from inside the wall will need making good before the weather shroud is fitted on the outside. Cheers kop
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The boiler is easily accessible as its just on the wall in the bathroom, it's only the Flue that goes through attic/roof....

A Baxi is what i want (did not think the DUO TEC with 7 year warranty were budget !!)....

What would you class as a NON budget boiler then mate ?

Looks like i will just get pump replaced for the winter and get something decent next summer when i have more funds (the amount i have spent on this terrible Ferroli over the years it WOULD of been more cost effective to have changed it years ago !!!

#Oh well

Thanks
 
both the boilers were made better back then less to go wrong
 
Same as cars sometimes you just get a lemon but there are so many variables. Type of system, quality of install, regular maintenance, amount of use, proper sizing, correct controls to name but a few
 
scott_d said:
A new boiler needs to be fitted to a clean system, preferably with a magnetic filter.
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I always presumed those filters were 'snake oil' !!! Plus the stupid amount of additives out there, my engineering is fitting new pump and using anti leak additive now !! Fernox ?? Pump with fitting/additive costs nearly half the price of the WHOLE boiler !! Rrrrr
 
bilabonic said:
I always presumed those filters were 'snake oil' !!! Plus the stupid amount of additives out there, my engineering is fitting new pump and using anti leak additive now !! Fernox ?? Pump with fitting/additive costs nearly half the price of the WHOLE boiler !! Rrrrr
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No they are very good!
 
I didn't say baxi was a budget boiler I said "if your working on a budget" meaning baxi and ideal will be competitively priced both offer good warranties up to 10 years on some models don't fit a 24kw the hot water produced will be disappointing in winter, many merchants sell a replacement heating pack which will be the boiler , flue , magnetic filter, chemicals , and scale reducer at a discounted price . Cheers kop
 
king of pipes said:
I didn't say baxi was a budget boiler I said "if your working on a budget" meaning baxi and ideal will be competitively priced both offer good warranties up to 10 years on some models don't fit a 24kw the hot water produced will be disappointing in winter, many merchants sell a replacement heating pack which will be the boiler , flue , magnetic filter, chemicals , and scale reducer at a discounted price . Cheers kop
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You are SPOT ON, i asked my Engineer and they sell more of the higher model 28kw !!! So i would be cheaper !!

I NEVER would of presumed that !

Thanks for your info and knowledge...It is MUCH appreciated. !

Cheers
 
Why repair a terrible boiler? Your just wasting money. I've replaced two 3 year old ferrolis before now because the landlord had had enough of breakdowns. Would never touch/work on one again. As for vaillant, all boiler have their troubles...but serviced properly and with a 7 year warranty you can't go wrong...ecotec plus.
 
sammathias said:
Why repair a terrible boiler? Your just wasting money. I've replaced two 3 year old ferrolis before now because the landlord had had enough of breakdowns. Would never touch/work on one again. As for vaillant, all boiler have their troubles...but serviced properly and with a 7 year warranty you can't go wrong...ecotec plus.
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I agree, if you read the thread i WANTED to replace it with a Baxi DuoTec/7 year warranty BUT i presumed the existing flue could be used, it can not so it's not just a simple boiler 'swap', looks like i will need scaffold for the tile 'shroud' PLUS loft access/working up there to fit flue will be a nightmare as the insulation is 3 ft thick....

I have spent about £1500 JUST to keep it going the last 2 years !!

I never new Vaillant do a 7 year warranty boiler !!

I 'think' there is a way to put a 90 on top of boiler outlet and put it out through outside wall, it will not look as nice, but would save a LOT of hassle/money...????? What do you reckon, i could add pics if necessary...
 
bilabonic said:
I agree, if you read the thread i WANTED to replace it with a Baxi DuoTec/7 year warranty BUT i presumed the existing flue could be used, it can not so it's not just a simple boiler 'swap', looks like i will need scaffold for the tile 'shroud' PLUS loft access/working up there to fit flue will be a nightmare as the insulation is 3 ft thick..

I have spent about £1500 JUST to keep it going the last 2 years !!

I never new Vaillant do a 7 year warranty boiler !!

I 'think' there is a way to put a 90 on top of boiler outlet and put it out through outside wall, it will not look as nice, but would save a LOT of hassle/money...????? What do you reckon, i could add pics if necessary...
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Go for the pics as people wake up they will log on and all have a look, centralheatking
 
Standard 5 year warranty but 7 years if fitted by a vaillant advance installer. Some even are 10 year. You could go horizontal with the flue...all depends on boundarys and distances. I have known installers to use existing flues from different manufacturers but as said above it is illegal.
 
Here are some pics guys (the current flue through roof it LESS than year old as the WHOLE street had grants for new roofs etc, it must protrude about 1m and is still shining like new !!!

Pics below with proposed alterations, what do you reckon guys ??

Cheers

New Boiler Front Pic Wall.JPG


New Boiler Front Pic.JPG


New Boiler Outside.JPG


Flat roof Access.JPG
 
Any reason why you want to change the flue location?
 
bilabonic said:
It ALL in the post mate, the EXISTING flue can NOT be used apparently (even though its all like new !!)

Loft access is awkard and i would need scaffold i presume for the roof ??
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Replace the flue for a new one you won't need scaf just a cat ladder
 
Dilalio said:
Go for the new flu location and just put a new one in to that point. Don't forget that it needs inspection hatches if you decide to box it in.
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That's a lot of work your talking of adding an extra 5-600 ontop moving the flue to a horizontal
 
ShaunCorbs said:
That's a lot of work your talking of adding an extra 5-600 ontop moving the flue to a horizontal
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I know, but it's better accessible and depending on who he's getting to install it, whether they'd work of a ladder. Need to be an uninterrupted run out the roof as well cos access to loft space isn't easy and may not be good for inspection. Up to OP really, but I think he'd really like to reuse the existing flu which ain't possible, no matter how shiny it is ;)
 
Who's right here boys, conflicting answers again ?

How is it a lot of work just putting flue horizontal ? Most are anyway..Just needs extra length kit.

What about access in loft, its 3 ft deep in insulation, plus has two 45 deg bends...
 
It's a full day just doing the flue horizontal

Need 2 45
3-4m lengths
A load of clips 5-6
And to core a new hole

Also needs to be a min 300 mm away from the window edge also a min of 300 away from the boundary
 
ShaunCorbs said:
It's a full day just doing the flue horizontal

Need 2 45
3-4m lengths
A load of clips 5-6
And to core a new hole

Also needs to be a min 300 mm away from the window edge also a min of 300 away from the boundary
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Do you mean x2 90 degs if still on current protruding wall?

4 m length is nothing, plus couple of clips, Plus 4" core is nothing imo, done plenty over the years....

Or the boiler could be moved to the right (off the protruding wall) and copper adjusted, it normal 90 deg from flue and straight 3m run ??
 
45s and correct

No but at around 50 a m it adds up

Then 50 for the bends etc

Still takes time tho
 
Meeting two GSE today, both fit new flu through roof as its easily done by ladder (their words).

ONE of them mentioned that Baxi are phasing out the HE series and stated the new 600 series is better and MUCH smaller and 30Kw !!!

Never heard of them so getting quote for both...

Anyone advise on these ??

Thanks
 
Duo tech or 600

600 series is a new boiler few problems so far but ok
 
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