Condensate into rain water pipe...YAY or NAY??

[JamesT]

I am no expert but I had a new Worcester Greenstar 12Ri gas boiler installed 20 months ago. The installation engineer asked me where the soakaway was? I had no idea but there is a waste drain that goes through the house with a plastic threaded cap front and back of the house. That would have entailed him having to run condensate pipework to front drain under porch or back under decking. He said the other alternative according to the fitting instructions was a pot with neutralising material in it (pot with holes in) I checked installation manual and it did offer that as an alternative so I agreed! Not sure how often the material in and around the pot have to be checked or changed tho? I guess at regular services?

 

[stevetheplumber]

i say we go back to the realy green solution cast iron boilers that last 30 years and hardly ever need mending and dont kick out acid water or we go all electric and put up a wind mill on every street corner

 

[bert large]

I don't know ! condensate drains, condensate pumps, trace heating, acidic neutralizers..........all to save approximately 13% in efficiency over the old Band D boilers ! & that is if its all working to optimum efficiency all the time which is highly unlikely unless the system is a low temperature underfloor system or similar.
Can't help thinking that the boiler manufacturers saw the ££££ signs & managed to hoodwink "two jags" into all this under the guise of "protecting the environment".

Its all a bit "Emperors new clothes" for me I'm afraid

 

[REDSAW]

acid my bum,

ever seen a pig 'dog' pee on the lawn?.

2 weeks later all the grass is burnt.

tell me the condensates more acidic as this and if not i will stop my missus using the bog in order to save the environment....

 

[GQuigley67]

not just pig dogs, unless my dog is a transsexual lol

 

[johnnyplumb]

Yeah you can put it in a limestone soakaway, think it need to be about 500-600mm away from the house. Different manufacturers may vary on distance, just remember the limestone chippings need changing every year.

You can definitely put it into a rainwater pipe if it leads to a combined drainage system, if the area has a seperate drainage system for rainwater and waste water then you can.

limestone chippings need changed every year, never heard of this , anyone know of this

 

[armourer]

Condensate is the same PH value as tomato ketchup.
Does this mean I cannot rinse my plate in the sink anymore?

 

[REDSAW]

dont know?. but given me a good idea for cleaning the brass and copper for the scrappy.lol.

 

[jonathan123]

The boss and I are installing a boiler tomorrow, and to be honest, the only place to install the condensate is into the rain water pipe. Is this allowed?

I can not see any where that says no.

Also, is there a boss for this type of thing, or do you just cut and seal with silicone?

This is my home work from the governor.

Cheers fellers

My property has been receiving water/fluids from the cellar sump of next door. They have been draining their condensate hose from two commercial boilers into what they thought was a Victorian soak way. In fact it was ending on my property and within 2 meters of the back corner of my house. I am totally reliant upon the condensate being neutralized and that is reliant upon annual maintenance. Failure to deal with the condensate in the correct manner will result in my newish house needing underpinning within 3 years.

Needless to say, the help of the local councils drainage engineer and building control inspectorate has been sought and work is in progress.

 

[mike-c]

I know where there is a condensate that runs across a wall at a heck of an angle and drops onto a sloping roof above a bay window and ultimately discharges into a rhone gutter!
It is on the front face of the building!
I will try to get a picture the next time I am passing.

 

[jonathan123]

I know where there is a condensate that runs across a wall at a heck of an angle and drops onto a sloping roof above a bay window and ultimately discharges into a rhone gutter!
It is on the front face of the building!
I will try to get a picture the next time I am passing.

Can someone quote the Gas Safety reference number and/or the Building Regulations number realting to the safe disposal of flue and boiler condensate from commercial premises/boilers.

 

[AWheating]

whats the boilers instructions state?

for building regs google it and download them.

 

[stevetheplumber]

a good reasoin for not siliconing any plastic pipe is the silcon doesnt stick to it after a week it all peels of

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Hi Jonathan, you'll need to find out the make of the boilers.
I would be deeply amazed if your house disappeared into a 30ft deep hole caused by said condensate.

 

[happyflyer]

Lol this is what cracks me up about this game one person says yay another says nay , end of day a bit of acidic water going down a rainwater drain is not end of world better off that than a gas leak !!!

It cracks me up too, if it was so toxic why don't the flue and the inside of the boiler fall to bits, when it's diluted 5 billion to one who the hell cares, we are going nanny state, I was fishing in our local river last year and catching loads of trout, I noticed toilet paper coming out of an outflow from a new estate into the river, where does that come in the round of things. BTW don't eat the trout, put them back just in case a few GSR have put the condense in as well. How do you guys know if the drainage system is combined or not....

 

[pipefitter]

Never seen one, anybody else fitted them ?

Yes if we run into rain water then we fit a salamander condensafe+ ... Only around £30 and keeps everyone happy

 

[gasmanrob]

It cracks me up too, if it was so toxic why don't the flue and the inside of the boiler fall to bits, when it's diluted 5 billion to one who the hell cares, we are going nanny state, I was fishing in our local river last year and catching loads of trout, I noticed toilet paper coming out of an outflow from a new estate into the river, where does that come in the round of things. BTW don't eat the trout, put them back just in case a few GSR have put the condense in as well. How do you guys know if the drainage system is combined or not....

Ally flues and ally heat exchangers do. Copper does and so will boiler casing it takes about 2 years to get through copper

 

[happyflyer]

Gasman,

What the life of a boiler then about two years, mine BosterWosh has been on the wall for the last 5 years and its still OK

 

[PhoenixServices]

Yes if we run into rain water then we fit a salamander condensafe+ ... Only around £30 and keeps everyone happy

I do exactly the same and then put a branch in the down pipe and a 45 and drop the condensate in 32mm into that.

 

[Gasvalve]

Oh for gods sake as someone who has just had a brand new boiler installed and that boiler has gone kaput because of this issue water back fill into boiler I will tell you why plumbers do this because it's easy and quick, then they are off hoping it down t back up too quickly . Oh for a plumber who takes into account this risk and installs correctly to save thier customers boiler but the they just say it's guaranteed call the manufacturer and the manufacturer says it's the plumbers fault arghh arghh you might guess me and my family are pretty upset

 

[lame plumber]

Oh for gods sake as someone who has just had a brand new boiler installed and that boiler has gone kaput because of this issue water back fill into boiler I will tell you why plumbers do this because it's easy and quick, then they are off hoping it down t back up too quickly . Oh for a plumber who takes into account this risk and installs correctly to save thier customers boiler but the they just say it's guaranteed call the manufacturer and the manufacturer says it's the plumbers fault arghh arghh you might guess me and my family are pretty upset

with a name like yours surely you could have done it correctly and btw this is a rather old thread

 

[Gas valve]

? Not sure the relevance of how old three is or not , did a search on line and saw all these posts about putting condensate pipe into down pipe and everyone saying they do it, no consideration for the poor customer and family when the rain backs up . Hope you are warm and have hot water bud

 

[lame plumber]

? Not sure the relevance of how old three is or not , did a search on line and saw all these posts about putting condensate pipe into down pipe and everyone saying they do it, no consideration for the poor customer and family when the rain backs up . Hope you are warm and have hot water bud

done it as well, but into a new hopper to give an air gap, simple

 

[Rickster123]

? Not sure the relevance of how old three is or not , did a search on line and saw all these posts about putting condensate pipe into down pipe and everyone saying they do it, no consideration for the poor customer and family when the rain backs up . Hope you are warm and have hot water bud

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