Can i service my own boiler if am not gas safe registered

[fuzzy]

And not all registered people are competent, from what I read ...

difference is they are supposed to be, not everyone with a driving license is a competent driver yet they have met the required standard

 

[dontknowitall]

Very true!

 

[fuzzy]

im looking forward to see where this quote came from from roryd, ive never seen it before, im happy to be proved wrong but everything ive read so far suggest i am right

 

[CMairiD]

You mean these? Which seem to support what I have been saying, however RoryD quoted something else, could RoryD tell us were this quote came from please

Yes, fuzzy, that's exactly what I was referring to.

Rory quotes:

Right can't resist this!!

no person can work on Gas unless competent to do so [ Rule 3 (1)]

A competent person is someone who is a member of a recommended body by the H.S.E. [rule 3. (3)] namely Gas Safe

These come from page 25. What Rory is missing from his quote on 3.3 are the words employer, employees, and self-employed. These are the people that, when doing work for hire, are required to be of a class of persons approved by the HSE.

 

[fuzzy]

Yes, fuzzy, that's exactly what I was referring to.

Rory quotes:



These come from page 25. What Rory is missing from his quote on 3.3 are the words employer, employees, and self-employed. These are the people that, when doing work for hire, are required to be of a class of persons approved by the HSE.

thanks mate
i realise that about being employed but roryd has quoted that registration refers to competence, however i dont see it anywhere, so id like him/her to point out were this has come from.
point 3 is about employed or self employed, different point to the op and therefore irrelevant

 

[fuzzy]

absolutely correct in my last post, phone h&S or gas safe there in no question on this absolutely. If you think otherwise you need to do some revision and get specific answers to your thoughts. The original post was can I service my gas boiler If am not gas safe registered. The answer is no you cant. Nothing to do with competetance..read the regs

not thoughts but facts from gas regs and posted on here.

can you please provide evidence to support your claims as everything i have read so far i see none of this

 

[fuzzy]

I think this is dangerous even to discuss this as there are so many differences of opinion. To be sure you should ask the appropriate authorities. I have found this on the Gas Safe website which some of you may find interesting http://www.User PlumbersForums.net ...f/Who can legally work on a gas appliance.pdf after all they are appointed by the HSE. So one would assume that they would not give out false information.

produced by gas safe for the purposes of fee paying clients in a bid to educate them

this is not written law such as the regs and therefore clarity is sourced from the regs which has greater detail

 

[fuzzy]

Regs are soon to be changed from what i have been told to close this loophole of non Gas safe registered people tinkering on appliances.

why would it be changed, what is wrong with a competent person servicing a boiler registered or not?

 

[RoryD]

where does it say in the regs "A competent person is someone who is a member of a recommended body by the H.S.E." ?
Here is an extract from the regs below

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—

(a)​

the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or

(b)​

the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.

Thought I'd made it clear, the first part of my post referred to competency, you showed that i n your response. The second part of the post referred to that relevent part you want to know about. You can't work on it mate full stop, I'm out of this post it's becoming frustrating. You can tell people but if they won't listen to facts (which cannot, by definition, be argued against), then time is being wasted

 

[Reg Man]

Difficult to believe this debate is still going on, as we have been working under this registration requirement since 1991.

Competence: A person with relevant training, qualification and experience to carry out the nature of work safely. (ACS was introduced to help you proove this) With out it you will have a hard time prooving this in court) Thanks Danny Pipe for your like minded comment.

Gas work: if you are employed of self employed to carry out gas work you must be registered with the approved body (Gas Safe Register). This includes wether you do it for free or get paid for the work.

DIY: Most DIY people will be unable to proove competence (Where's their ACS certificate?) It may be that you are a gas registered engineer for the company you are employed with, but not as an individual; therefore you can do gas work at home because you hold an ACS cert for the work you wish to undertake.

All this information is available within the ACOP document for the gas safety (installation& use) regulations.

I can't believe this thread is still active. Please read my contribution carefully. the information is in the regulations.

If you are employed to do gas work you must be registered with the approved body (GSR) and GSR will check that you are competent before you are registered (ACS prooves this)

If you do it for your self you must be competent not registered.

Thanks to all the common sense contibutions, especially Tamz, who bothered to list the requirements directly from the regulations.