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Matchless.plumb said:
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Hey lads,
The flue you see in the picture will be inside a conservatory and I was wondering if my customer would still be ok when she let install a plume kit through the conservatory roof? Is that against regs or will that be ok? I would like to make her aware of it if that's the case.

Kind regards,

Ron
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Does anybody know why I cannot access the link above. It says I do not have access????
 
My link would nt work , combustion air must come from outside .
 
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townfanjon said:
My link would nt work , combustion air must come from outside .
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So town, thanks for your reply too.

So you saying even if she used a plume kit it would not meet the regs so the only way of getting around it is to either change the termination of the flue or install the boiler higher or somewhere else ?
 
Matchless.plumb said:
So town, thanks for your reply too.

So you saying even if she used a plume kit it would not meet the regs so the only way of getting around it is to either change the termination of the flue or install the boiler higher or somewhere else ?
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How do you know it hasn't been priced for already ?
 
ShaunCorbs said:
How do you know it hasn't been priced for already ?
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Because it's my customer simple as that and I also asked about the flue if she needs to do something about it or not. Very simple question isnt it?
 
Pics here now , could a new flue go through the adjacent wall ? . How old is the boiler , is it ready for changing ?
 
Matchless.plumb said:
The builders are my mates, they are not doing any other work except from doing the brisk blocks and foundation
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If there your mates they shouldn't of started till a gas safe engy had done his works
 
townfanjon said:
They wont want to change that then , flue on the other wall then maybe
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That's all I wanted to know! Thanks a lot.

I was just asking if that's against the regs so I can inform her and speak to her about it. I can get then my mate in to let him do the job.

Thanks much appreciate it
 
ShaunCorbs said:
If there your mates they shouldn't of started till a gas safe engy had done his works
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Why not? I cannot see any other issue. My gas mate will come and decommissioning the boiler and change the flue termination hole. I cannot see any other problem. The materials will arrive next week Wednesday so I have got enough time to let this sort out.
 
Even though, you are so picky about all I thank you for your time and help as usual.

Much appreciate it, thumbs up for you all.

Kind regards

Ron
 
Matchless.plumb said:
Why not? I cannot see any other issue. My gas mate will come and decommissioning the boiler and change the flue termination hole. I cannot see any other problem. The materials will arrive next week Wednesday so I have got enough time to let this sort out.
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May not be able to move the flue as looks like the boundary to next door is too close

Unless that's there tree to the left of the flue

If it isn't that means boiler will need to be moved which isn't cheap and doesn't look good to the customer, having to pay extra once the work has started unless they quoted for the movement of the boiler ??
 
ShaunCorbs said:
May not be able to move the flue as looks like the boundary to next door is too close

Unless that's there tree to the left of the flue

If it isn't that means boiler will need to be moved which isn't cheap and doesn't look good to the customer, having to pay extra once the work has started unless they quoted for the movement of the boiler ??
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Before I got the job I told her the boiler needs either repositioned or the flue termination needs changing. Is all cool @ShaunCorbs :)
The boundary isn't right there the tree belongs to them they've got quite a big garden though.

What's the distance from the boundary to the flue ? Is there any reg you will need to consider? I believe it has to be 1.5m is that about right ?
 
Get your gas safe engy to quote for the works needed

Am I missing something why ask us and not the person who's going to do the works ???
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Get your gas safe engy to quote for the works needed

Am I missing something why ask us and not the person who's going to do the works ???
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Because, I want to make sure before I ask him. I hired him only twice and therefore not sure if he does all the jobs accordingly. As you know many people hold the license but do crappy work and I can not run a business with such a standard. It's all about reputation isn't it? So I am sorry if I asked you but to me it's important to that things are done to regs
 
Matchless.plumb said:
Because, I want to make sure before I ask him. I hired him only twice and therefore not sure if he does all the jobs accordingly. As you know many people hold the license but do crappy work and I can not run a business with such a standard. It's all about reputation isn't it? So I am sorry if I asked you but to me it's important to that things are done to regs
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Silly question ! but if you are using a gas guy and your not sure that he is doing things the right way, Then why are you still using him ???
 
jtsplumbing said:
Silly question ! but if you are using a gas guy and your not sure that he is doing things the right way, Then why are you still using him ???
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I am not qualified and therefore I do not know all the relevant regs so I have to put a certain trust into my mate, don't I? furthermore he doesn't live in my area he lives 25/30 miles from me so it's not just that easy to get hold of him as he is busy too isn't he? But that's not the point here, I just wanted to know if that's to regs or not and if not what should be changed to make it to regs that's all I wanted to know from you guys.

I think,I didn't do anything wrong by asking for a help:/

Thanks anyway, thumbs up for your support!
 
Matchless.plumb said:
I am not qualified and therefore I do not know all the relevant regs so I have to put a certain trust into my mate, don't I? furthermore he doesn't live in my area he lives 25/30 miles from me so it's not just that easy to get hold of him as he is busy too isn't he? But that's not the point here, I just wanted to know if that's to regs or not and if not what should be changed to make it to regs that's all I wanted to know from you guys.

I think,I didn't do anything wrong by asking for a help:/

Thanks anyway, thumbs up for your support!
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As it is its against the regs ! is it possible that you can put up a photo of side wall as that's looks the best option ? it will have to be changed asap B4 building work gets much further ahead
 
jtsplumbing said:
As it is its against the regs ! is it possible that you can put up a photo of side wall as that's looks the best option ? it will have to be changed asap B4 building work gets much further ahead
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Of course I will get a couple more picture so you can then judge better. Thanks for coming back by the way.

One more question,
What do people charge for installing HIU units do you know what's the ballpark figure ?
 
Depends on a lot of things new or replacement

Any spec ??
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Depends on a lot of things new or replacement

Any spec ??
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Another customer from central London, wants in a new build block of flat new central heating installation and he's got currently only a commercial boiler downstairs in the basement. The main riser goes up right to the top but they never installed heating in his top floor flat. So now he wants to have heating installed throughout the flat. My mate mentioned to have a separate boiler installed HIU unit to not have water hammer sludge. Loss of temperature , interruption some sort of ... and he mentioned a HIU unit would be solving all this problem. Firstly the architect thought just to connect into the riser and run pipework into the flat.

So now, I do not know what's the best way. I believe that my mate isn't that wrong which is to install a HIU unit. The customer also wants some underfloor heating over there kitchen and living room.

I do not know what's a rough ballpark figure for the HIU units therefore I thought you could give me a hint some sort of brackets
 
Heads up Fella's,

Ron posted the question in Plumbers Arms!!

He asked advice from people allowed in this section.
He doesn't need the third degree questioning that he has got.

The DIY'ers get more help in the open forum regarding questions like this, than you are giving Ron in the Plumbers Arms.
He's in here for a reason and there is no reason that he should feel ( what seems intimidating) to ask questions about something he need advice on.

Someone should come out and answer his question without questioning him why he is answering the question.

He wants advice from people in the Arms, we should give it to him.
 
Between 2-6k ish and come of the com boilers and use the hiu for everything don't install another boiler
 
oz-plumber said:
Heads up Fella's,

Ron posted the question in Plumbers Arms!!

He asked advice from people allowed in this section.
He doesn't need the third degree questioning that he has got.

The DIY'ers get more help in the open forum regarding questions like this, than you are giving Ron in the Plumbers Arms.
He's in here for a reason and there is no reason that he should feel ( what seems intimidating) to ask questions about something he need advice on.

Someone should come out and answer his question without questioning him why he is answering the question.

He wants advice from people in the Arms, we should give it to him.
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That's all I tried to express but the language barrier sometimes doesn't let me express myself :) but I appreciate that people like you @oz-plumber exist and read between the lines.

I cannot install the boiler neither give her accurate advise and therefore I asked you gas safe engineers. I am running a business and have to so,ve issues like this too, even though I am not registered. It doesn't look good to say I am sorry but you need to look for someone else's especially not when you got recommended.

However, I am very thankful that people take it serious and helping me out whenever I asked for help. That's the reason why I love this forum that much. Thumbs up to you all
 
Matchless.plumb said:
That's all I tried to express but the language barrier sometimes doesn't let me express myself :) but I appreciate that people like you @oz-plumber exist and read between the lines.

I cannot install the boiler neither give her accurate advise and therefore I asked you gas safe engineers. I am running a business and have to so,ve issues like this too, even though I am not registered. It doesn't look good to say I am sorry but you need to look for someone else's especially not when you got recommended.

However, I am very thankful that people take it serious and helping me out whenever I asked for help. That's the reason why I love this forum that much. Thumbs up to you all
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Can't you say to the customer

I'm not gas safe reg but my friend is, here's his number contact him for the works, But I can do the plumbing and soil works?
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Yes what's the other flats got hiu?
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I haven't been to other flats.
I just got the job yesterday and will meet them tomorrow to see the whole job. I just wanted to make sure that the idea of a HIU unit is good.

The thing is they want me to install:

Central heating
Hot & cold water for 2 bathrooms and kitchen
2 rooms underfloor heating
Waste pipe for the flat
And second fix of 2 baths, 1 double basin, shower tray, 2 back to wall toilets, and all other accessories.
HIU unit

So just to be on the safe side I wanted to know if the HIU unit is a good idea.

Does the ballpark figure 12-16k seem fair ?
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Can't you say to the customer

I'm not gas safe reg but my friend is, here's his number contact him for the works, But I can do the plumbing and soil works?
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Sure I could!

But what about making more money? Getting more customers ? It's all about reputation. it looks much better when I solve the whole job under my name and get things sorted even though I hire my mate for doing the boiler. I do not like sharing my customers , I like growing as a company. Especially once I am qualified. So why not starting earlier to get more customers, as long as the job is been done to regs no one cares.
 
Matchless.plumb said:
I haven't been to other flats.
I just got the job yesterday and will meet them tomorrow to see the whole job. I just wanted to make sure that the idea of a HIU unit is good.

The thing is they want me to install:

Central heating
Hot & cold water for 2 bathrooms and kitchen
2 rooms underfloor heating
Waste pipe for the flat
And second fix of 2 baths, 1 double basin, shower tray, 2 back to wall toilets, and all other accessories.
HIU unit

So just to be on the safe side I wanted to know if the HIU unit is a good idea.

Does the ballpark figure 12-16k seem fair ?
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Yea about right they supplying bathrooms etc ?
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Yea about right they supplying bathrooms etc ?
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They supply all materials.
I just mentioned to get crimping fittings to make the work much faster and less risk of leaks. All materials are top quality. So I just will do the job with my mate.

Thanks for your help Shauni, I really appreciate it.
 
Hi Ron - and Plumbers Arms?

Ron's a trusted member, and also posted his question in the Plumbers Arms.

He wanted advice from experienced people who are included in a non public area of the forum.

Why not give him advice and help him out?
If I knew your regs, I would have no problem answering his questions?

I understand that you cannot give advice to DIY'ers about gas related issues, but they do not have access to Plumbers Arms.

You all give advice to DIY'ers about 'How to do Plumbing' but won't answer a couple of questions by a trusted member the the Plumbers Arms.

All Ron wanted to know is what to do with a flue termination due to a house extension.

He doesn't need the 3rd degree questioning of his credential, qualifications, experience and who his gas engineer is...particularly in this section of the forum and more so, due to his credentials for his contributions to this forum in general.

FFS Fella's.. all Ron asked for was advice on the Flue termination.
 
Matchless.plumb said:
They supply all materials.
I just mentioned to get crimping fittings to make the work much faster and less risk of leaks. All materials are top quality. So I just will do the job with my mate.

Thanks for your help Shauni, I really appreciate it.
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Remember to post pics if you get it once your finished :)
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Remember to post pics if you get it once your finished :)
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Definitely will do. During the process. I literally cannot wait to start this sort of big job will a great experience with good finish.

I might be back to ask a couple of questions :)
 
oz-plumber said:
Hi Ron - and Plumbers Arms?

Ron's a trusted member, and also posted his question in the Plumbers Arms.

He wanted advice from experienced people who are included in a non public area of the forum.

Why not give him advice and help him out?
If I knew your regs, I would have no problem answering his questions?

I understand that you cannot give advice to DIY'ers about gas related issues, but they do not have access to Plumbers Arms.

You all give advice to DIY'ers about 'How to do Plumbing' but won't answer a couple of questions by a trusted member the the Plumbers Arms.

All Ron wanted to know is what to do with a flue termination due to a house extension.

He doesn't need the 3rd degree questioning of his credential, qualifications, experience and who his gas engineer is...particularly in this section of the forum and more so, due to his credentials for his contributions to this forum in general.

FFS Fella's.. all Ron asked for was advice on the Flue termination.
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I can see where your coming from but diy plumbing is a lot different to gas work

I speak for myself in regards if he was qulified (gas safe) I would be happy to give advice and answer any questions, but as he isn't so can't advise,

If he doesn't trust he gas safe engy, once he's been out to look at the job and quoted for the works

What stops Ron asking us does this sound right and does the relevant works comply with gas regs

Needs an engys eyes on it first
 
ShaunCorbs said:
Remember to post pics if you get it once your finished :)
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What type of underfloor heating would you recommend ? Finish floor will be floorboards as they are going to raise the floor level to make it even everywhere. What manifold would you use? I've seen recently a new product like a click and twist system
 
Matchless.plumb said:
What type of underfloor heating would you recommend ? Finish floor will be floorboards as they are going to raise the floor level to make it even everywhere. What manifold would you use? I've seen recently a new product like a click and twist system
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Have a word with u heat @Uheat – Wojtek
 
[QUOTE="ShaunCorbs,

What stops Ron asking us does this sound right and does the relevant works comply with gas regs
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Splitting hairs Shaun.

That's what I thought he was asking.....and not reading between the lines.
 
oz-plumber said:
Splitting hairs Shaun.

That's what I thought he was asking...and not reading between the lines.
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Not quite as his gas safe engy might see somthing we can't, that makes our advice nil and void
 
I think we all should relax it's no point of us arguing about a silly question. I understand the point of @ShaunCorbs but I also agree to @oz-plumber ... I cannot ask and bother him all the time as he works for himself too. It's very obvious I am not working on gas appliances and therefore seeking help. I was at the property and she wants me to take care of the conservatory. I just seen that the flue hasn't been moved and therefore wanted to make sure before starting the job that's complies with regs or not. If not then I'd get my mate to relocate the termination of the flue or relocate the boiler if necessary.

So please relax both ...
 
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