Are we training too many plumbers?

[johnmcginty]

john how many of them are from people with a nvq level 2 or 3

and how many are asking for a apprenticeship or have the 6128/9 tech cert?

Most have the cert and looking for nvq 2 or sometimes 3. I have had a few with 15 yrs plus experience acs and gs asking for " any work "

Say around 2-3 a month have txt speak in them , some are quite funny ...gt any jbs goin mate? I am an appurentis.

 

[WHPES]

Get about 2 a week. I think the colleges encourage them to send them out.

If any have text speak in them they would go straight in the bin. If people can't be bothered to make the effort to write properly they don't deserve a look in even if I had a vacancy.

 

[stevetheplumber]

Get about 2 a week. I think the colleges encourage them to send them out.

If any have text speak in them they would go straight in the bin. If people can't be bothered to make the effort to write properly they don't deserve a look in even if I had a vacancy.

i do the same if you dont have an english degree youll never make a good plumber

 

[fuzzy]

i do the same if you dont have an english degree youll never make a good plumber

i think you need to learn more and progress further than text speak to get a degree in English

 

[justlead1]

Training is another industry, with high powered sales people feeding the punters . It seams to work. However the plumbing / heating game has changed massively over the years. Were the plumber was involved with all types of pipework material for water, air, soil and waste, roofing in zinc, lead, copper, glazing, solid flue, oil, gas, warm air ducting, Guttering with various materials. The list goes on. Now it seems a large number carry the badge for connecting to a 15 mm main supply with a glorified Ascot on the end of it to heat the water and house, using the equivalent of hose and jubilee clips to transport the fluids. I am of the opinion that these modern methods will create plenty of poorly paid installation / repair/maintenance work for plumbers in the future. However those who specialise in areas within the trade are still having it off. Solar, solid fuel stoves, heat pumps, metal roofing and more are areas where good money can be earn't and they will be targeted when plumbing training reaches saturation point. The problem being you can not stop people from dreaming. Good Luck

 

[stevetheplumber]

i think you need to learn more and progress further than text speak to get a degree in English

actually i was being a tad sarcastic most of the boys from my generation who became involved with the building trades tended to be from the lower school achievers boys who couldnt do maths at school often got to grips with it at colldge when shown how to do heat calcs areas and volume
txt spk shd nt be a bar 2 b ing a plmba

 

[WHPES]

Customers are going to take a dim view of any trdesman using txt spk in any correspondence, and communication between trades could be subject to misinterpretation. After all, it's not tolerated in the military. Anyway, with intelligent texting now, is there really any need for some of the more inane abbreviations?

 

[fuzzy]

actually i was being a tad sarcastic most of the boys from my generation who became involved with the building trades tended to be from the lower school achievers boys who couldnt do maths at school often got to grips with it at colldge when shown how to do heat calcs areas and volume
txt spk shd nt be a bar 2 b ing a plmba

I have to disagree steve. If you go back 20/30/40 years or more the trade was very hands on. The hand skills required were difficult and took years to learn. With most trades this isnt as much the case anymore with easier materials and jointing methods on the market. However, the design considerations and the technical knowledge required has much increased, learning to be a plumber now is alot more classroom based than before, and we could eaily argue less about workshop.

therefore as the trade has changed so should the learners coming into it, they require more theory skills and less practical skills.

to complete a full apprenticeship in the UK all learners must pass English and Maths at C grade or above (or equivilant). Therefore its not possible to pass the course without that knowledge.

what you are leaning towards is a skillful plumber without the technical know how, called a plumbers mate. they have a place in industry for me and used to be paid about 90% of a plumber because they could do everything a plumber could but had to be told where the pipes go etc. All people with only a 6129 would have been classed years ago as a plumbers mate and paid accordingly. Those with a full apprenticeship would get the credit and pay in accordance with that

TO SUM UP - text speak does not stop you fitting things as well as other plumbers but does reduce the likelyhood that you have the ability to complete all the studies required and recognised by the sector skills council to make you a trades person

 

[hiretools]

Ok im going to add something to this conversation. i myself have enrolled in a short 8 week course the course is a 6129 cert (BUT!!!!!!!!!!! with a difference) i have managed to negotiate a deal with a certain training school to get my 6129 plus my central heating plus part L logic plus water regs plus a 4 module CH course for £2995 plus vat (£3521.00 Inclu vat) 8 weeks plus 4 days over 3 seperate periods for the different extras that have managed to blag.All im saying is that whether ur a plumber or training to become a good plumber (which 1 day i will be) recession is recession and i have to watch every penny i can, The original course fees they wanted were £5799,00 inclu vat. I have managed to save 2 grand. At the end of the day training is training but being out there is my goal.. Keep Smiling.Hiretools.

 

[fuzzy]

Ok im going to add something to this conversation. i myself have enrolled in a short 8 week course the course is a 6129 cert (BUT!!!!!!!!!!! with a difference) i have managed to negotiate a deal with a certain training school to get my 6129 plus my central heating plus part L logic plus water regs plus a 4 module CH course for £2995 plus vat (£3521.00 Inclu vat) 8 weeks plus 4 days over 3 seperate periods for the different extras that have managed to blag.All im saying is that whether ur a plumber or training to become a good plumber (which 1 day i will be) recession is recession and i have to watch every penny i can, The original course fees they wanted were £5799,00 inclu vat. I have managed to save 2 grand. At the end of the day training is training but being out there is my goal.. Keep Smiling.Hiretools.

whats the 4 module CH course? and remember the 6129 is not a full qual

 

[hiretools]

Fuzzy its these m8
1) Heating System Wiring And Controls Installation Training
2)Complex Central Heating Training To Include Conversion Of Systems
3)Central Heating System Commissioning In Accordance With Part L
4)Central Heating System Flushing/Power flushing.
Plus CH Logic, Water Regs, and Logic Part L.

 

[fuzzy]

Fuzzy its these m8
1) Heating System Wiring And Controls Installation Training
2)Complex Central Heating Training To Include Conversion Of Systems
3)Central Heating System Commissioning In Accordance With Part L
4)Central Heating System Flushing/Power flushing.
Plus CH Logic, Water Regs, and Logic Part L.

ok, not sure what course that is mate???

is logic the awarding body?

part L and water regs typically cost about £130 each

do you know the 6129 is not a full qual?

 

[hiretools]

Yeh i know that m8 but i do have my pat test plus first aid plus health and safety. i worked for the Oval and Lords cricket grounds as head security. and i have already sucessfully installed two bathrooms 1 in staffordshire at my house and 1 in ennis ireland my other family house and they all work sweet as m8. all im sayin is it just gives that starting edge to go further. im doing my onsite traing for the acs portfolio after i finish and then im hookin up with my uncle who is gas safe anyway formerly corgi

Fuzzy im 38 and have not got the time to do a two year course just lookin for a kick start.

 

[fuzzy]

Yeh i know that m8 but i do have my pat test plus first aid plus health and safety. i worked for the Oval and Lords cricket grounds as head security. and i have already sucessfully installed two bathrooms 1 in staffordshire at my house and 1 in ennis ireland my other family house and they all work sweet as m8. all im sayin is it just gives that starting edge to go further. im doing my onsite traing for the acs portfolio after i finish and then im hookin up with my uncle who is gas safe anyway formerly corgi

Fuzzy im 38 and have not got the time to do a two year course just lookin for a kick start.

thats fine, im just pointing out the facts , if your happy with your choice then i wish u the best of luck. you should really consider the full qual the NVQ

by the way both courses finish this summer

 

[hiretools]

Hi, Fuzzy hello m8 listen if u want to know wot im about have a look at my thread damsil in distress by kerry last thread.

i will defo be doing nvq 2/3 just had this cash to show me its my right path as i cant really afford to get it wrong having done 5 months for my 17th edition electrics.