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No chris your not wrong mate, and quite frankly i'm flabbergasted at just how unregulated this industry is. And fully empathise with you boys who have followed correct protocol to get where you have.
 
chris watkins said:
does that mean that I am wrong to suggest that there needs to be some effective means of controlling who enters (the numbers) the industry, even if the means saying NO I am very sorry you can not be a plumber!, you are too old, can't find a plumbing job, not bright enough or by whatever other criteria we what to lay down.
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Not heard of the Equality Act then Chris? Not to mention a few hundred chapters of EU legislation.

Personally, I've always been suspicious of grown men who like playing with water!
 
Wonder how the medical services, for instants, get on then when inappropriately qualified, trained or experienced people applier for post in an NHS hospitals, do they say come on in, have a go, you will soon pick it up, couple of years & you will be up to standard. Am I asking for anything different Peter ?

Nothing to do with Equality Act or EU legislation as you well know !!!!
Does not the person who is not suited or does not have the ability to succeed in a profession have rights too ? are you correct to encouraging them to believe that they can ??
It seems to be a trait of our modern society.
 
chris watkins said:
Wonder how the medical services, for instants, get on then when inappropriately qualified, trained or experienced people applier for post in an NHS hospitals, do they say come on in, have a go, you will soon pick it up, couple of years & you will be up to standard. Am I asking for anything different Peter ?

Nothing to do with Equality Act or EU legislation as you well know !!!!
Does not the person who is not suited or does not have the ability to succeed in a profession have rights too ? are you correct to encouraging them to believe that they can ??
It seems to be a trait of our modern society.
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You could use the police system, i.e. tell them they'll need to be a Free Mason to get anywhere! lol

Should thin down new entrants a bit ;-)
 
No, I don't need the police, I am more than capable myself but you are clearly not !!
As you mentioned the police, do you know how many are in training now? have a look at the specials ? hundreds of thousands chasing just a few places, how are they selected & then trained for the job. It is call assessment ! good enough-your in, not up to scratch - sorry!
(un-less your dads the inspector LOL)
 
chris watkins said:
No, I don't need the police, I am more than capable myself but you are clearly not !!
As you mentioned the police, do you know how many are in training now? have a look at the specials ? hundreds of thousands chasing just a few places, how are they selected & then trained for the job. It is call assessment ! good enough-your in, not up to scratch - sorry!
(un-less your dads the inspector LOL)
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Police forces stopped recruiting some time back due to the downsizing policies of Government.

Gate-keeping an industry on numbers alone goes against the grain in so many ways.

Standards could be raised: C&G, NVQ, Gas Safe, etc, but can't see many people voting for that. Or requiring a certificate to fit a tap that needs renewing every three years at considerable expense.

Ironically, making training more academic would probably favour the kind of person who can hack a fast-track course, and work against the less academic person who is more suited to a longer period of training on the job over 4 years.

With the increases in university fees there probably will be more academically qualified people chasing plumbing/gas training, so the bar will be raised in that respect anyway. Ed Miliband has been talking about the introduction of a baccalaureate for practical skills at the recent Labour conference.

If the Government want to make any kind of intervention to help matters, I would think a national house building program would be the best way to do it. I can't see Cameron's tinkering with the planning regulations making a lot of difference, that's if it ever gets past the Conservative Councillors who are up in arms against it at the moment.
 
Some poetry

6129 is mine and it didn't take much time
It was brilliantly taught
But now I am caught

They say I need unvented, acs and wras
More cash!

Out on the job, its not making sense
It was easier in college on the bench

Estate Agent and Banker now Plumber
Occupations of shysters?
Bummer!
 
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Clanger said:
Some poetry

6129 is mine and it didn't take much time
It was brilliantly taught
But now I am caught

They say I need unvented, acs and wras
More cash!

Out on the job, its not making sense
It was easier in college on the bench

Estate Agent and Banker now Plumber
Occupations of shysters?
Bummer!
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It works if read with a Pam Ayres accent!

Just had an idea, i.e. "Mentors-4-U" ... being an agency that links newbies up with experience plumbers - the newbie pays a weekly fee to the experienced plumber who is available by phone to give advice when needed!

What do you think?

Just need £100k from Debra Meaden now so that I can set the office up on a beach in Barbados - I'm happy for her to have 50% of the business! Just in case you read these threads Debra :smilewinkgrin:
 
On the subject of Ms Meaden, does the BBC pay a salary to each of the multi millionaire dragons on Dragons Den?
 
You could be in with chance with that £100K from Debra Meaden after all she gave that shyster from Ploughcroft a big wedge and he's just gone bust
 
No point in a fast track course unless you've got a gas safe engineer to take you under their wing to mentor you before during and after your gas safe exams. Once your qualified your still learning all the time.
 
RPG 80 said:
No point in a fast track course unless you've got a gas safe engineer to take you under their wing to mentor you before during and after your gas safe exams. Once your qualified your still learning all the time.
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I just hope Debra reads your post - there's definitely a market for Rent-A-Buddie© ;-)

Rent-A-Buddie theme song ... needs a bit of tweaking though

Flying Without Wings - YouTube
 
Fast track questions and answers

Please post all related questions regards fast track courses in this thread.
 
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Is there a fast track course to become a fast track trainer?

Try saying that quickly :)
 
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Is there a fast track course to the pub?
 
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Stick to topic please girls
 
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I'm off to the track tomorrow. Kelso races to blow my weeks takings :smile:
 
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Alright lads! I've just finished my 6129 lvl2 in plumbing and now looking to get my NVQ2 complete, I've been told I need to get assessed on site for 2 bathroom suites and 2 central heating circuits, is this correct? Or is there more involved?
 
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Fray said:
Alright lads! I've just finished my 6129 lvl2 in plumbing and now looking to get my NVQ2 complete, I've been told I need to get assessed on site for 2 bathroom suites and 2 central heating circuits, is this correct? Or is there more involved?
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yeah it is 2 bathrooms, health and safety, prep work, and some other bits and pieces, can all be done at your 2/3 bathrooms. I think the college also ask for another job, like guttering/ 6 rads, i.e.
 
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I have a serious fast track question... I have some ACS, is there any point in me getting a "plumbing qualification"??
 
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That surely depends on your knowledge and experience of plumbing and how you want to work id have thought. If you need a cscs card you can only get an operatives card without nvq's unless you are GSR where you get a white gas card acs doesnt count for anything. That is if your ever looking for site work.
 
Fast track should be named 'basic skills'. I'm at college full time studying plumbing and I love it, currently self employed the other days in a trade I've done for ten years. My tutor is fantastic, and not for one minute am I under any dis illusion I will be a plumber after just a year. My grandad was a plumber, he is 80 now, he told me to expect around five years providing I shut up and listen, good advice. Second piece of good advice, if your self employed, your a salesman first and a plumber second. If you don't follow these rules you'll fold.

Hope I've not put a damper on anything, you can't be good at anything if you only have a brief go at it.
 
Whl4852 said:
Second piece of good advice, if your self employed, your a salesman first and a plumber second. If you don't follow these rules you'll fold.

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I expect the people who run these fast-track courses follow the same line of thinking, i.e. "You're a salesman first, and a trainer second!"

Such is the way of the world in a market based economy.
 
Hi, I am looking at becoming a self employed plumber, I have fitted over 10 bathrooms for friends and familly and a few kitchens. I really enjoy the work and have been told by many that I should do it for a living, I have been offerd payment for my work but untill now have never concidered it. I work in London monday to friday and travel home for the weekend and this has now become to much for wife and kids. So thought of training to be a plumber. The business side of things doesnt phase me as I have been in business development for 14 years and have started my own company before.

The thing that gets me is that I want to train and start working for myself at the same time, all the so called fast track cources dont lead you to the SQV you need to be certified, (although they offer some good basic training.

I like studying and would happily spend a day a week and weekends studying for all the certificates for boilers, heating, electrics. I just need to work at the same time.

To get the SVQ I cant be self employed and I cant survive on Sub £20K trainee money. Is there no way my self employed work can be assessed and taken into account? Even though I could probably make a living not doing the courses Id rather do things properly.



The demand seems to be there, I was away and had a water leak and it was two weeks before a plumber could get to me! There are two local plumbers.
 
Scots Jay said:
Hi, I am looking at becoming a self employed plumber, I have fitted over 10 bathrooms for friends and familly and a few kitchens. I really enjoy the work and have been told by many that I should do it for a living, I have been offerd payment for my work but untill now have never concidered it. I work in London monday to friday and travel home for the weekend and this has now become to much for wife and kids. So thought of training to be a plumber. The business side of things doesnt phase me as I have been in business development for 14 years and have started my own company before.

The thing that gets me is that I want to train and start working for myself at the same time, all the so called fast track cources dont lead you to the SQV you need to be certified, (although they offer some good basic training.

I like studying and would happily spend a day a week and weekends studying for all the certificates for boilers, heating, electrics. I just need to work at the same time.

To get the SVQ I cant be self employed and I cant survive on Sub £20K trainee money. Is there no way my self employed work can be assessed and taken into account? Even though I could probably make a living not doing the courses Id rather do things properly.



The demand seems to be there, I was away and had a water leak and it was two weeks before a plumber could get to me! There are two local plumbers.
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It sounds to me like you need the new Fast Fart Track Course I can offer you a really good rate only 2K instead of the normal 4K+ because it is only 4 weeks, is that sort enough (if not let me know & I will tell you about our very special fast fast fast one)
So as a you work in business development you will no doubt be aware that ever business depends of its success on the produce/s it sells & you think that after completing the plumbing work in a few bathrooms & kitchens plus a sort it of studying you will have a produce (skills) that anybody would be willing to pay for, to give you an income of +£20K? all that travelling is effecting your grey matter my old mate.
I am not being funny but I would just quit your job, don't bother about the training, buy some books & start up on your own as a self-employed bathroom & kitchen plumbing installer give it a go for a few months to see what is really like to work as a plumber.
 
Very funny Chris. I was sying that I didnt want to do a fast track cource Id rather do one that leads to a propper industry recognised one like the SVQ3, I was struggling to find a course that offered the flexibility. And do I think people would pay for the work I am capable of doing at the moment? Yes I do, and I do it very well. Im wise enough not to attempt anything Im not capable of doing, hence wishing to study alongside working. Would I replace a whole central heating system? no I wouldnt, would I replace a radiator yes I would. The work I have done to date is as good as ive seen anywhere else if not better. Granted I probably do not have the speed of an experienced plumber in fitting a bathroom, but It will come.

Evertone has to start somewhere (You did)

So nothing wrong with my grey matter my old chum. and thanks for your encouragement or lack of it!
 
chris watkins said:
It sounds to me like you need the new Fast Fart Track Course I can offer you a really good rate only 2K instead of the normal 4K+ because it is only 4 weeks, is that sort enough (if not let me know & I will tell you about our very special fast fast fast one)
So as a you work in business development you will no doubt be aware that ever business depends of its success on the produce/s it sells & you think that after completing the plumbing work in a few bathrooms & kitchens plus a sort it of studying you will have a produce (skills) that anybody would be willing to pay for, to give you an income of +£20K? all that travelling is effecting your grey matter my old mate.
I am not being funny but I would just quit your job, don't bother about the training, buy some books & start up on your own as a self-employed bathroom & kitchen plumbing installer give it a go for a few months to see what is really like to work as a plumber.
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When I started out a self employed I used to hate calling it a business, I was just a bloke with tools and a van and everything else just fell in place. Sick of everyone saying you can just fast track your way into everything. Qualifications mean **** in the plumbing world, even in 2012. Nobody asked to see a tech cert at 11 at night on Christmas Eve on a call out. Rant over, forget the courses and find an old plumber, if its meant to be it'll all fall in place.
 
Scots Jay said:
Very funny Chris. I was sying that I didnt want to do a fast track cource Id rather do one that leads to a propper industry recognised one like the SVQ3, I was struggling to find a course that offered the flexibility. And do I think people would pay for the work I am capable of doing at the moment? Yes I do, and I do it very well. Im wise enough not to attempt anything Im not capable of doing, hence wishing to study alongside working. Would I replace a whole central heating system? no I wouldnt, would I replace a radiator yes I would. The work I have done to date is as good as ive seen anywhere else if not better. Granted I probably do not have the speed of an experienced plumber in fitting a bathroom, but It will come.

Evertone has to start somewhere (You did)

So nothing wrong with my grey matter my old chum. and thanks for your encouragement or lack of it!
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Just set yourself up as property maintenance, bathrooms etc, if you are good then you will last. This is not a dig, I just think that is the best place to start then you will learn as you get paid, and the mistakes you make will cost you, so you will learn to not make them. Best of luck, cos its hard on your own
 
Thanks for the advice Ill look into it, and yes nothing like hard finacial lesons learnt
 
Scots Jay, if you feel confident enough in your abilities, then go for it! It's not all doom and gloom out there, I've got 7 bathrooms booked in and 2 more to come.

All this negativity on here is pure bull **** and if you work hard and do the very best work that you can, set yourself very high standards and be prepared to go out there and do everything possible to bring the work in, then you'll succeed. If you sit on your rse in front of a computer and moan like some of them on here about a lack of work when you should be out there chasing it then you'll crash and burn just like them.

Welcome to the forums.
 
Thanks System3. I am going to give it everything, Im not afraid of hard work (I do circa 80 hours a week at the moment) and I was starting to wonder about all the negativity. Glad to see that there are those willing to be encouraging and help full.
 
Scots Jay said:
West lothian, just out side falkirk
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Contact your local Business Gateway and they run free business start up courses, offer tax and accounting advice and info about available funding. If you're in the Falkirk area, their office is in the Falkirk Stadium and you could qualify for a £5,000 loan from the BP Loan Fund. East and West Lothian areas have their own offices, just Google for Business Gateway. Well worth it and it's all 100% free.

Help is available for training courses too.
 
Thanks, Ill do that, Ill contact them first thing in the morning. Thanks for all your help, if your ever doing a weekend job and can handle someone watching and asking questions while carrying your materials and equipment, let me know!
 
system3 said:
Contact your local Business Gateway and they run free business start up courses, offer tax and accounting advice and info about available funding. If you're in the Falkirk area, their office is in the Falkirk Stadium and you could qualify for a £5,000 loan from the BP Loan Fund. East and West Lothian areas have their own offices, just Google for Business Gateway. Well worth it and it's all 100% free.

Help is available for training courses too.
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fair do's system 3 knows he stuff - sound advice
 
system3 said:
Scots Jay, if you feel confident enough in your abilities, then go for it! It's not all doom and gloom out there, I've got 7 bathrooms booked in and 2 more to come.

All this negativity on here is pure bull **** and if you work hard and do the very best work that you can, set yourself very high standards and be prepared to go out there and do everything possible to bring the work in, then you'll succeed. If you sit on your rse in front of a computer and moan like some of them on here about a lack of work when you should be out there chasing it then you'll crash and burn just like them.

Welcome to the forums.
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I hope he is not to close to you C, otherwise you may find you only have 5 booked in & no more to come. LOL

I have no problem with people starting up any form of business involving carry out plumbing work, so long as it is legal work i.e. gas, water reg,s etc. why should I there is nothing to stop you.

But please don't degrade the status of Plumber by suggesting that after a few bathrooms & a sort course you would in anyway shape or form be comparable to somebody who has trained both on & off the tools for a minimum of 4 years & still has to work for another 4-5 years perfecting those skills before they feel competent.
Do I feel aggrieved at this undermining of what is required to be a trained Plumber, you bet'yar, How would you feel ??????????
 
There is also a version of the Business Gateway in England, although I know very little about it. Some of the regulars from South of the Border will know or again do a Google search under "English Business Gateway".
 
Chris, Scots Jay was not making any aspertions about becoming a plumber after doing a short course, he was asking for advice and I gave this to him.

As to him or anyone else competing with me, well that's what business is all about......competition!
 
Competition ? your right, just make it on a level'ish playing field, will he know the Water By-law 2000 or does that not matter?
 
Thats right, I dont claim to be a time served plumber, but would like to get there one day. I have only 3 kitchens and 2 bathrooms lined up over the next 3 months so no competition to anyone just yet! But all good experience and should help build a buffer for when i take the full time plunge!
 
chris watkins said:
Competition ? your right, just make it on a level'ish playing field, will he know the Water By-law 2000 or does that not matter?
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Our water regs up here are different from yours and yes it does matter. The guy has a least got SOME practical experience unlike some who have read it all from a book, so good luck to him.

A "level" playing field has been taken from our industry years ago with large corporations like BG and now even Tesco and the AA offering plumbing and gas services at rock bottom prices.

By the way, I'm not cheap but I'm swamped with work, so in my opinion everyone has a level playing field, moreso if you're experience shines through to a customer when surveying/quoting for a job over someone much less experienced.
 
I dont see why you have to be so negative chris... No I dont know every regulation, hence I would take advice on every job and look at regulations that pertain to the job i under take. What you should be saying is "make sure you look up xyz or ensure you work within abc. but no, you have to just snear and put down. Good job there are others more helpful and less threatened like system3.
 
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