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You also said the store was 20 ltrs mate. Anyway it doesn’t matter I still wouldn’t fit one.
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It’s fine, I made a mistake which means I am not flawless. However attached I will show you what you could perhaps translate. Perhaps it makes sense to you. I don’t want to argue just stating the fact which is dated by me but by Vaillant itself.
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I understand Ron but that is Germany and this is England and if I’m honest I don’t care about Germany. I do not live or work in Germany. I live and work in England where our regs and boiler spec are different and as far as Vaillant have told me the stores on an 937 are 7.5ltrs each and once cold all you have left is an 837 combi boiler.
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That’s fine, I appreciate your opinion. You can trust me that this boiler as well as the green IQ, ecotec plus 825 are equivalent to german boilers. I do understand what you’re saying and agree that is slightly different in terms water pressure etc. Perhaps that would make a huge different in many cases. If I am honest I would fit an ecovit or ecoCOMPACT but unfortunately it doesn’t exist here in uk. Done take me in the wrong way mate
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I haven’t mate. I just go off what Vaillant tell me thats all.
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Not my boiler of choice for that job Ron you need to be ripping out all that pipework there will be so much magnatite in there it will wreck the valliant even if you fit a mag filter, and I would at least get the rads off and flush them through outside if possible ideally replace them to and all the valves you do seem to get em bud. Good luck with it kop
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More to the point mate. You shouldn’t be using German boiler data to fit boilers in England anyway. One has nothing to do with the other.
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You KOP, you advise in the same way as I do but customer apparently spent his whole money for the house and has to safe up for a new refurbishment. I just told him yesterday that he needs upgrading all radiators as this boiler is in there for 50 years. Upstairs there is no central heating at all it’s kind of old gas fires for each room but they are installed in the wall never seen something like this before. Furthermore the central heating supply downstairs which has about 5 big radiators including the added one upstairs in the bathroom have all 15mm supply. From the boiler it goes in 22mm for about 1.5m the rest all in 15mm. He even wanted me to fit more radiator los upstairs but it will not work without me installing a new supply in 22mm. All windows are either 1.5 or 2m long and require a minimum of double panel due to the high ceilings and room sizes. I did tell him that about the pipes being too dirty for a new boiler and a flush would not help to get rid of all.
As you k ow the customer k ones always better than you do.
Thank you for your kind advise it’s definitely appreciated
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It’s equivalent so there is no difference in data. But that’s ok I do not want to keep arguing with you.
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If the German 938 has a 20 Ltr store then it is not equivalent! You just need to admit that the uk version has a 15 ltr store and I will leave you alone mate.
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@Matchless.plumb as I know you have seen my message but not replied. I am just going to leave this picture here. Please stop misinforming customers by using data that is not of any relevance in the uk. Start using the correct Vaillant data book. If you do not have one call the rep they will send you one.
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I will get back to you shortly. I agree I have read your reply but due to my research I did not reply as i want to avoid MISINFORMING people. I will get to the bottom of it. If I am wrong I will apologise but I really doubt that these 2 boilers are not identical!
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Research away mate. They may look identical and sound identical. But uk rules are much more lax than in Germany and that is probably why they are different.
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You buy those boiler in separate packs right? Where does the cylinder come from, Remscheid- Germany ? Or Kent ?
Is there written VIH CL 20?
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Wolseley or city Plumbing
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Alright, but they come in separate boxes?
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Yes mate. But doesn’t change the fact that they are 7.5ltrs each in the uk
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It makes a huge difference if your supplier gets them from Remscheid as these are 20liter storage and not 15. 3 months ago I installed a few which came from Remscheid and it has 20liters not 15.
If you see the description VIH CL 20 then you can be certain it’s twice a 10liter storage.
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I’m just going to leave this picture here for you
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That is clearly a typo Ron. As you can see from the picture I have uploaded, the diagram is for the 15 ltr version. Also if you type the part number into any uk based search engine it only brings up the 15ltr vessels. Vaillant only sell the 15ltr version in the uk as far as I am aware. Vaillant uk only market it with 15ltr vessels. If your supplier is giving you 20ltr vessels he shouldn’t be, as it is not for the uk market and I am sure it will void the warranty.
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That’s typo Ron
I spoke to Vaillant today and he has confirmed that they get those tanks from Kent and from Remscheid. Which means the once from Remscheid are 10 Liters each. I have not got a specific supplier I order in different local stores so I am sure it’s not not illegal for them to sell those type of storage tanks.
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You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. You believe what you will mate. As it sounds like you are going to anyway. I also spoke to Vaillant and they told me that the 938 has a 15ltr store so I’m happy that I am right. Good luck in what ever you do.
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No point of arguing here harvest. What’s the point ? I don’t mind you being right ... I’m not here to fight or proof that you are wrong. I will keep misinforming my customers and you keep installing the 15ltr storages
let’s put an end to this and talk about something else.
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I would love to mate. But I do not work like that. Especially when I know I am right.
https://www.vaillant.co.uk/download...2015/0020209593-01-ecotec-plus-938-559182.pdf
Vaillant’s manufacturer’s instructions for the boiler.
Page 9 top right hand corner. 3.1
also page 61 Shift load cylinder capacity 15ltrs
https://www.vaillant.co.uk/download...2015/0020209593-01-ecotec-plus-938-559182.pdf
Vaillant’s manufacturer’s instructions for the boiler.
Page 9 top right hand corner. 3.1
also page 61 Shift load cylinder capacity 15ltrs
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How do you know how I work mate? I do not think that I am doing bad jobs nor do I think I am cutt8ng any corners, ripping anyone off or false Information are given. Next time, I will take a picture of the storage I am installing. I have seen the manual and have seen the figures. Trust me, my work ain’t bad otherwise I would not have any customers nor would I work only on recommendations. I take too much pride in my work. However, it is ok if you want to be right that’s fine with me mate really I don’t mind to be wrong as nobody is perfect.
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Ron. I didn’t say that I knew how you worked. I also didn’t say that you was doing bad jobs or cutting corners or ripping people off. I did however ask you to stop using the wrong data sheets and to not miss inform customers. I say this as I wouldn’t want it coming back and biting you on the bottom later on, that’s all. I know I have upset you and I honestly didn’t mean to. I was just trying to prove my point.
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https://www.vaillant.co.uk/downloads/ecotec-plus-937-spare-parts-manual-261488.pdf
Clearly states for model vih vl 15 s / 10liter each vessel ... that’s sold in uk. You can use the part number 0020039781 and you can get that online heating spares etc ...
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You really did not upset me.. I like discussing matters which is totally normal. I just don’t believe I’m so wrong ... I can see I can get the storage on English markets with the part number which indicates that you misunderstands the vih cl 15s that’s just the name of the boiler. If you type in the part numbers you can see that the storage comes up with 10 litres each. A lot of Vaillant
Engineers haven’t got a clue if you talk with the, on the phone. Just 2 days ago I spoke with one guy and he wanted to tell me I would need 3 bar mains pressure and 20l flowrates to be able to install this boiler. I had to call a different guy and he told me it was total boll.... the point I want to make is that I strongly believe that it’s the same boiler like Germany with a slight difference in kw output. We have 20 and 26 which is well enough but here in uk is 38kw
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Ron. I am not saying that your picture doesn’t say 10ltrs. It does what I am saying is it is wrong code VIH 15 CL S refers to the 15ltr store and code VIH 20 CL S refers to the 20 ltr store. You may be able to get the 20ltr in the uk. But it is not supposed to be fitted to the boiler. As per Manufacturers instructions it states that the boiler has a 15ltr store. In the world of gas and gas engineers mate MI’s are god.
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The boilers in Germany from what I have been told are a lot more Efficient.
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Soooooooo true
plenty of different type of boilers.. but again we aren’t in Germany. I get what you are saying above so let’s put an end now ? Reply to recommendation And advice are welcome. in the Plumbing Jobs | The Job-board area at PlumbersForums.net
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