[Poll] Rate my lagging

[Welder]

You were given honest objective advice. It is the best this group for the reasons stated.

However, you persist in this utter pointless exercise diverting help away from people we can help more specifically through, one can only assume, some affiction.

For the last time, get a qualifed surveyor in to objectively report. We cannot help you as we know our opinions are worthless to you where it counts.

GOODBYE.

FWIW when I commented you had yet to emerge fully from the woodwork.

If you wish I can turn into abusive if that would help your cause. Just say, "pretty please"...

 

[SimonG]

So you spent 19k with no spec and minimal documentation.

What the council agreed or did not agree with their contractors is paramount and to be brutally honest your post is ridiculous.


Yorkshire Dave was right. Not at the front of the queue, eh.

I'm out too.

 

[Tardigrade]

For all your willingness to insult me guys, there is a lot of Dunning-Kruger going on here your side. You're telling me, a legally trained chap, what is relevant for having a cause of action. You are wrong, and this is why I've repeatly stated I'm not asking for help regarding "my chances". I am well aware that it is legally irrelevant if the council contracted people to do sub-standard work. To YOU it is, as contractors, cos you figure, if that is what you were contracted to do, that is what you do, and that is fine. But it is irrelevant. Because if the work is sub-standard, it is the council's fault for making such work acceptable through poor contracting. Anyway, you've all decided to be aggressive and be "out", so goodnight, and thanks for your kind help.

 

[Pickwickpick]

As I explained, the council ran procurement, and as such, there is near zero documentation provided to us, and we don't have access to what they contracted out. I am effectively challenging the council - so what they did or did not agree with the contractors is not relevant as much as what they SHOULD have agreed.

This is why @YorkshireDave recommended you get a surveyor involved. This is not a nice simple scenario, pipe lagging was not a line item on any documentation you have, there was no pre agreed standard of work that you can clearly show has not been delivered, this is a grey area.

Getting a few opinions off plumbers on a forum is not going to be of any use to you, for starters we haven't actually seen the work, we're going off 3 photos which is not enough to give any serious judgement on. There's then the fact that the council will quite rightly be able to claim that you have just cherry picked the quotes/answers you are looking for.

However if you get a surveyor out, they can give you a report detailing whether or not the lagging is stopping the service you have purchased through the council (i.e. your heating/hot water) from working effectively. This is what surveyors are for, they are professionals whose job is to give their opinion on such matters in areas of their expertise. Now if the surveyor comes back with a report that states the lagging is causing your heating or hot water to not work effectively, you have a valid claim against the council as you have paid for a service which is not being provided. Equally if they come back to you with a report stating its not pretty, but will have no material impact on your heating/hot water, then you know not to worry about it. This is not a plumbers area of expertise, we fit, some design, but we are not expert witnesses which is effectively what you need.

And with regards to people being prickly, its all to do with your first few posts. You asked a question, we gave our answers, but because they were not what you were looking for you threw your toys out of the pram.

 

[Welder]

For one legally trained, I am uttey perplexed at your complete lack of recognition of both the role & value of expert witnesses.

Your statements & actions demonstrate a distinct disconnect...

 

[Pickwickpick]

For one legally trained, I am uttey perplexed at your complete lack of recognition of both the role & value of expert witnesses.

Your statements & actions demonstrate a distinct disconnect...

The plot thickens, seems very bizarre that a 'legally trained chap' would have to ask "what differentiates a 3rd party plumber providing an opinion, from a "survey" "

 

[Tardigrade]

Pickwick - thank you for a well written response. The only parts I disagree with:
1) I don't believe I "threw my toys out of the pram" - at least prior to being the subject of abusive language. Where do you believe I did this?
2) Had I recieved a good volume of honest responses, it would have been of use to me. a) because it would have informed the strength of my case prior to shelling out for a formal report and b) because most of this is not being conducted in a courtroom, but rather through persuasion with councilors and council representitives. Here, opnions do matter, particularly when well articulated (such as the comment that the usage of the pipe is critical when considering whether lagging is addequate).

YorskshireDave - are you REALLY from the north? You're shattering the stereotype. I didn't ask for an expert witness, so going off about it is what is called a straw man fallacy. Not the only logical fallacy you've displayed, whilst calling me uninteligent. Ironic.

 

[SimonG]

Unintelligent, now there's irony.

 

[SimonG]

Abusive? Need to get out more Buttercup.

 

[Tardigrade]

SimonG. A typo? I'm shattered by the strength of your debate skills. It actually isn't ironic, what you pointed out, but you just keep your Alanis illusions.