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I am trying to find an outside tap on tool station, but cant seem to find what i need. It needs a back plate so it can be secured to the wall. Also do they come in solder, push fit or compression ?

Any links will be appreciated.
 
They come in all types..

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15mm x ½" Outside Tap with Check Valve | NoLinkingToThis

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Wall Plate Elbow 15mm x ½" | NoLinkingToThis

Use these compression will be easier and easier to maintain
 
like these? 45259.jpg 95844.jpg items 74070 and95844 at toolstation
 
You can also try screwfix part nos 37241-92934 and you might like to look at 82202 i find these quite useful
 
Don't forget you'll need to fit a double check valve inside the property to comply with the water regulations.
 
JCplumb said:
I quite like to use 33291 from toolstation.
Very tidy on the outside.
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I like these as well, really tidy! Do have to be really carefull punching the pipe through though if drilling from inside...
If you blow the face off the outside finish it is a pain to get the fixings in for the wall plate.
 
Taps with integral check valves are not water regs compliant for a new installation. They are only suitable when upgrading an existing tap. A new installation must have a double check valve and isolating valve internally.

I'm fairly sure speedfit do a push fit double check valve. They're normally compression anyway.
 
JG Speedfit do a push fit double check valve but it's way overpriced. A standard compression one is better. The bib taps with the built in DCV don't last in very cold weather, even with the tap drained, so a separate internal one is the best solution. Don't forget to fix an isolating valve so that you can turn the tap off and drain it in the winter.

Always drill from the outside so that you don't burst your wall.
 
and if you are using the standard back plate, fit it below the point where the pipe comes out the wall so that it can be drained in winter.
 
Simon F said:
and if you are using the standard back plate, fit it below the point where the pipe comes out the wall so that it can be drained in winter.
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Never thought at it that way lol.... That should be in the hints and tips section! ;P
 
Mike Jackson said:
Taps with integral check valves are not water regs compliant for a new installation. They are only suitable when upgrading an existing tap. A new installation must have a double check valve and isolating valve internally.
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I thought the regs said should be not must. Have they changed?
 
marsaday said:
whats a double check valve ?
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A double check valve will prevent any stale water in a connected hosepipe or contamination from garden / pressure washer chemicals mixing with the main (drinking) water supply, from the outside tap.
 
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As mentioned above, the integral DCVs in the bib taps are useless after a winter and it is widely known amongst plumbers. Relying on one of those is bad practice to say the least, not sure what the regs say on the matter but I do know what good plumbers say ;)
 
M.Joshi said:
A double check valve will prevent any stale water in a connected hosepipe or contamination from garden / pressure washer chemicals mixing with the main (drinking) water supply, from the outside tap.
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Agreed, but I was only challenging the must be inside part. Like I said the regs might have changed.

Open Question to all: How much do you charge where you are (ballpark figure) for fitting an outside tap including materials?
 
***bria Handyma said:
Agreed, but I was only challenging the must be inside part. Like I said the regs might have changed.

Open Question to all: How much do you charge where you are (ballpark figure) for fitting an outside tap including materials?
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ballpark my friend..£300,how much do you charge.
 
Paragraph 15 of the water regs is the appropriate one. 15 (1) states that an adequate device must be used to prevent backflow. and 15 (5) states that a backflow prevention device is adequate for the purpose of paragraph (1) if it is in accordance with a specification approved by the regulator for the purpose of this schedule.

This specification is the Regulators' Specifications on the Prevention of Backflow which is enforceable from 1st May 2000. This specification contains the guidance on DC valves for outside taps. The advice for backflow prevention in the WRAS water regulations guide is based on this specification.
 
***bria Handyma said:
M.Joshi said:
A double check valve will prevent any stale water in a connected hosepipe or contamination from garden / pressure washer chemicals mixing with the main (drinking) water supply, from the outside tap.
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Agreed, but I was only challenging the must be inside part.
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Sorry that was a reply to marsaday asking what a double-check valve is, not directly to you hence why I quoted part of his original reply!
 
Simon F said:
and if you are using the standard back plate, fit it below the point where the pipe comes out the wall so that it can be drained in winter.
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you can open the outside tap, then close the stopcock inside, but sometimes, even when it's fitted lower, there might be water still left in the pipe. if you want a 100% guarantee of no water left in the pipe, fit an air release tee after the stopcock. close the stopcock, open the tap & open the air release to drain. never done though.
 
Look I'll do it for £250 and I'll even pet the dog. That's not a euphemism.

If you don’t have a dog, I’ll pet the cat.

If you don’t have a cat, call it £220 and with the extra £30 you’ve saved, go buy a pet.
 
Yeah, you'd do that and stitch up a fellow tradesmen. That outside tap was my job, and then you swept in with your big talk of tea and jaffa cakes. Great. You know I have a wife to feed right?

Go on then, I hope you choke on your jaffa cake. You stitched me up good and proper. I could drop to £210 and a Hob Nob, chocolate of course. But that's it. I have my pride.
 
What do u serious
do an outside tap for Danny??? Ur not a £45 full thing are u lol
 
Outside tap, hmmmm about £110, maybe a bit more. Materials about £25/30. Shouldn't take long if it's drilling through by the kitchen sink and it's all easy to access.

A metre of 15mm pipe, a double check valve, a full bore ballafix, a back plate elbow and a bib tap, oh and a couple of elbows and an equal tee.

Shouldn't take long. Last one I did was last year. knock on my van window as I was packing up from another job. Charged £75 and it took me half hour. But I did have all the bits on board and did just walk over to the property and fit it easily.
 
I've been using outside taps as a foot in the door, got them on offer on my website for £40. I see it as advertising, takes 1/2 hour and the cost is covered. I leave a business card and have had a few repeat jobs off the back of it.
Supermarkets have been doing it for years with 'loss leaders', they'll sell something cheap at a loss in the hope that you also buy some other stuff while you're there. Like when asda did tins of plum tomatoes for 7p.
 
I have been fitting outside taps for years, but have never, ever fitted one 1/2 hour. I suppose you could do it that quickly with a cheap B&Q self cutting crappo fitting.
 
glenno1 said:
Ye but they dont graft for that
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Very true, I am only testing the waters to see if it's worth it for repeat business. And if it's not going to be a quick job I'll advise that it will cost more. Example, 2 weeks ago I fitted one in a stone cottage with 400mm ish hard as nails stone walls, took best part of an hour and a spent drill bit just to drill through, so that one cost £120.

***bria Handyma said:
I have been fitting outside taps for years, but have never, ever fitted one 1/2 hour. I suppose you could do it that quickly with a cheap B&Q self cutting crappo fitting.
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Don't want to ruffle any feathers or anything, but that may be the difference between a handyman and a plumber. As long as there aren't any hidden issues like difficult to drain/refill cold pipes, boxed in pipework or silly stone walls half an hour is fast for fitting one but not uncommon. You're probably faster than me at the other services you provide, but I do plumbing day in day out and have done for years.
Isolate and drain down(<5 mins)
Drill through and fit wall plate and bib tap (10 mins)
Cut feed (2 mins)
Cut, clean and assemble pipes/fittings(5 -10 mins)
Solder up(2 mins)
Turn mains back on and run taps etc. (5 mins)
By my reckoning, you may even get a minute to eat a Jaffa Cake/chocolate hobnob while admiring your work :)
Not sure of the price of a b&q garden tap kit, but I'll bet it's not cheap compared to getting the bits you need from a plumbers merchant(I'd guess at about £15 for individual parts from Plumbfix + a couple of bits of leftover pipe from the toolbox). I actually used to fit the kits with self tappers when I was at college as pocket money jobs, must have done a dozen or so and not had any come backs from them, I fitted one in a house I rent out about 8 years ago and it's still going strong. Obviously wouldn't fit one now, not because they are rubbish, they're just not as good as doing it properly :)
 
Yeah, they can easily be done in half an hour if the set up is easy.

I tend to just sweat an elbow onto a couple of bits of 15mm pipe. One to go through the wall, the other to go into the back plate elbow.
Drill my hole. Feed the pipe through. Mark drill and fit the back plate elbow, with the short section of pipe in it. Tighted comp fitting. Then isolate, drain, and cut tee into the mains. Couple more fittings, and an iso valve. Sweat them. Bit of sealant around the hole in the wall, job done. Half an hour is easily achievable.
 
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